Competition Questions

masterblaster

masterblaster

X-H2
hoping to make this a international event in its inaugural year,is a far stretch. I think you really have to look at how many riders will be competing and what states they are coming from. How many riders do you really expect to trek from Fl. and southern states for this. ITs a 12 hour drive from most central fl locations just to get here to VA.whos willing to drive 18 hours to get to jersey? Someone should start a poll to see how far guys are willing to drive to make this event.

If you want to compete your gonna have to tow your rig
 
Scorn800

Scorn800

Ride for life
Location
North NJ
masterblaster said:
hoping to make this a international event in its inaugural year,is a far stretch. I think you really have to look at how many riders will be competing and what states they are coming from. How many riders do you really expect to trek from Fl. and southern states for this. ITs a 12 hour drive from most central fl locations just to get here to VA.whos willing to drive 18 hours to get to jersey? Someone should start a poll to see how far guys are willing to drive to make this event.

If you want to compete your gonna have to tow your rig
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Have trailer Will Travel.:biggthumpup:

Way to go Pete. I think this could be a insane interntional event.
 
Conquistador

Conquistador

B-Saw
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Location
Virginia Beach, VA
masterblaster said:
hoping to make this a international event in its inaugural year,is a far stretch. I think you really have to look at how many riders will be competing and what states they are coming from. How many riders do you really expect to trek from Fl. and southern states for this. ITs a 12 hour drive from most central fl locations just to get here to VA.whos willing to drive 18 hours to get to jersey? Someone should start a poll to see how far guys are willing to drive to make this event.

If you want to compete your gonna have to tow your rig
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Good point.
 
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PancakePete

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masterblaster said:
hoping to make this a international event in its inaugural year,is a far stretch. I think you really have to look at how many riders will be competing and what states they are coming from. How many riders do you really expect to trek from Fl. and southern states for this. ITs a 12 hour drive from most central fl locations just to get here to VA.whos willing to drive 18 hours to get to jersey? Someone should start a poll to see how far guys are willing to drive to make this event.

If you want to compete your gonna have to tow your rig
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I drive all over the country just to ride with peeps let only compete and win some cash... if peeps going to whine about driving, we dont need them.... I drove to FL 4 times last year ! and about 10 other trips almost as far ! :rolleyes:
 
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yamaslut

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Hot Water Tour Staff said:
I heard alot of great ideas so far and will do my best to take your ideas and incorporate them into our flat/surf events for the 2007 Hot Water Tour season. Pete, I love your idea but you really need to think about making this an official event sanctioned by the APBA. Work with one of the promoters there that has some experience and knows what to do. What if someone does get hurt or God forbid die? Who will the family sue? YOU! or the venue. There is some great risk doing it unofficially no matter what kind of waiver there is. Ask any attorney. You should get incorporated just in case someone does sue you they sue the company not you and your family. With that in mind if you do get insurance, pull permits, and find a venue you will spend many hours of your free time working on this even if its just one event. Now if you dont charge entry fees and rely on sponsors GOOD LUCK!! You will have no problem finding merchandise but $$$$ is what you need and not may sponsors are willing to give $$$ to a sport that is rebuilding or in your case just starting. The sponsors that do give you $$$ will give less then they can afford and you will have to find multiple sponsors and again you spend a lot of your free time. Giving up free time will get old quick and you should get compensated for all your efforts. How are you going to get crowds there??? If you have an event during a festival you will need permits. If you advertise this event that takes $$$$ and ads are not cheap. Everyone needs to join the APBA and sign the waivers. I know im new at this but for the past three month I have gone through hurdles trying to get surf events for the 2007 season and have learned how hard it is to put on an event. Its not easy but im not going anywhere for a while. You got the coast guard, wildlife, city ordinances, and old people that think jet skiing is a crime. Why do you think almost all of the Racing events are on lakes???????? No permits (sometimes), no coast guard, and no old people. Its the easy way out with a lake event. Why are most promoters doing only three events?? It takes alot of work. Contact Patrick Mell with the APBA he is a really cool guy that has been helping me out with my tour. If you want give me a call and I might be able to answer some questions you might have. I wish you all the luck and we need more freestyle events. It will grow our sport tremendously. I thank you in advance for giving this a shot. We will see you guys in Daytona!!

Thanks,
Robert Cius
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Hey, Robert.. Sorry I missed your call last night... was on the phone disscussing this very subject... I'll try to call you today...

This event will be sanctioned and all permits and insurance will be attained. We are in the very begining stages of planning here and are looking for ideas on a format. We have not even looked into who will sanction or anything like that. We will definately be contacting you guys, cause we know you have a lot more knowledge about that side of things...
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

X-H2
Pete,yea we have drivin all over north and south to all the rides. Some of us are a little more hardcore than others for making events. My point is more like, in the last few yrs ive not seen any riders repin the southern states at the jersey rager,much less FL. Its to easy to say if they dont wana drive we dont need them,IF ya want a big turnout the first yr a central location would be the best bet.
I dont care either way,we have drivin to jersey for all the other rides and will to this one to. id like to see it as a big event right off the bat
 
Blaster Spasm

Blaster Spasm

I use to be a Convict........
Location
Virginia Beach
Well, I guess I will go ahead and put my two sense in. As you can tell I usually just lurk the boards, but I really think this is going somewhere. I definitely agree with the fact it would just be awesome to have 3 comps a year, 1)Daytona 2)jersey 3)Va Beach. This would get crowds from everywhere and while you were at one of the comps the others would be promoted and the newbies and other people might take part in joining the others after they experiance the thrill of just one. I do feel the blasters need to be seperated from the sj. I myself ride a blaster and I just feel the scoring would have to be different. It in my opinion is way easier to pull off a roll or backflip on a sj than a blaster anyday. And I feel that the people that say that no matter where it is it's too far, well buy a freaking syphon and syphon gas from peoples cars on the way there. Screw buying that gas, steal it. No matter where it is it will be something that you have to be at and experience. There is no way possible to make everybody happy, but you know what, you may be pi$$ed at first where it's at or how it's going to go down, but once you are there it will be a blast. I would love to get a ride here in va beach. We have the daytona freeride and the jersey rager, why not get one in va beach. Like some people have said allready, we are pretty much in the center. I think everything people have said on here makes good points and that it is going to help alot in getting this thing set up and being the best ride out there. I can't wait to get in there and have people motivate you to do better and compete with people of your riding skill and push each other to do better and go bigger. I'm not the best, hell I'm still trying to land the roll, but either way, win or lose, it will be fun. 5 min, 10min, 2min, I don't care. The more people there are, the less time you will have to ride if you want to fit this in one day. Or make it a weekend ride where the comp. starts on friday and saturday, and results on sunday. Thats just some of my opinion.
 
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yamaslut

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masterblaster said:
Pete,yea we have drivin all over north and south to all the rides. Some of us are a little more hardcore than others for making events. My point is more like, in the last few yrs ive not seen any riders repin the southern states at the jersey rager,much less FL. Its to easy to say if they dont wana drive we dont need them,IF ya want a big turnout the first yr a central location would be the best bet.
I dont care either way,we have drivin to jersey for all the other rides and will to this one to. id like to see it as a big event right off the bat
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get over yourselves.... the event will be in Jersey, so move on..
quit beating a dead horse
 
WaveDemon

WaveDemon

Not Dead - Notable Member
Location
Hell, Florida
yamaslut said:
get over yourselves.... the event will be in Jersey, so move on..
quit beating a dead horse
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I've never made the trip up to NJ but this seems like a good reason to finally make it up there. Hopefully the contest will be big enough to allow someone of my skill level in.
 
Powder

Powder

( o Y o )
Location
Cleveland
There is soooo much that needs to be done for an event like this doing it close to home for the main people doing all the leg work (for the first time) will make it all that much easier and more possible that it will be done right. It is a lot easier to pull local connections then try to schmooz your way in with people that you have no history with. I say keep is NJ and Daytona if you are looking for two places since Nick and Pete, the people doing the leg work, both live there. Something people might be overlooking is an event like this would be promoted and draw people other then just those on the forums. There are a lot of people that ride and ride hardcore that are not on here. Ride like Daytona and Lanier tend to be JUST x-h20 and PWCtoday people with very few others. These areas (NJ/FL) will pull a lot more local riders then say NC or SC where it is hard to 1.) find a place to beach launch 2.) has fewer local riders that would compete. This isn't a freeride it is a comp. it isn't for everyone, not that everyone isn't welcome.
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

X-H2
Nick,hey buddy its ok ya didnt make it to jerseeey. Or anyone else from FL for that matter.We just thought we would throw it in the mix,since we were already thinking of doing something like this anyway.

It will be interesting to see how many southerns make the event.I hope your right that it being a comp and not just a freeride will attract more riders.IT would be really cool to have a huge event on the east coast no matter where it was. I always thought it was weird how Europe seems to be so hott for comps and the states so dead,other than a few west coast events.We have alot of talented riders here. I agree the event should take place where the biggest planners are located.Maybe in the future if the daytona ride is converted into a comp instead of freeride,then we will do something here in Va and a mini tour will be just what we will have
 
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yamaslut

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masterblaster said:
Nick,hey buddy its ok ya didnt make it to jerseeey. Or anyone else from FL for that matter.We just thought we would throw it in the mix,since we were already thinking of doing something like this anyway.

It will be interesting to see how many southerns make the event.I hope your right that it being a comp and not just a freeride will attract more riders.IT would be really cool to have a huge event on the east coast no matter where it was. I always thought it was weird how Europe seems to be so hott for comps and the states so dead,other than a few west coast events.We have alot of talented riders here. I agree the event should take place where the biggest planners are located.Maybe in the future if the daytona ride is converted into a comp instead of freeride,then we will do something here in Va and a mini tour will be just what we will have
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Ok, Chief (Dane Cook joke)...

anyway... it doesn't help the disscussion to point fingers about who showed up at what event... That has nothing to do w/ what we are talking about...

how about if I said:
Where were you at the Lanier ride, Texas, Addiction Premier??? yeah... not gonna get anywhere w/ this will we...
:cool2: :cool2: :cool2: :cool2:

:biggthumpup:
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

X-H2
Its ok boss man,I see what you mean. I only said that,because the point is... how many southern riders will make it,that being its only relevance.

The junkies are surf riders and have no affiliation with flat water events,lol.If a surf event is built on the east coast we will be there,I hope as many others share this belief,as its seemingly being takin for granted

You and Pete have alot of experience with planning freerides and have always done very well. And also is very appreciated among the junkies here,they are always a blast. Im just wondering with a event of this magnitude costing this much $,how many riders need to be there in order for it to be a success to the sponsors and organizers involved?
 
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yamaslut

Guest
masterblaster said:
Its ok boss man,I see what you mean. I only said that,because the point is... how many southern riders will make it,that being its only relevance.

The junkies are surf riders and have no affiliation with flat water events,lol.If a surf event is built on the east coast we will be there,I hope as many others share this belief,as its seemingly being takin for granted

You and Pete have alot of experience with planning freerides and have always done very well. And also is very appreciated among the junkies here,they are always a blast. Im just wondering with a event of this magnitude costing this much $,how many riders need to be there in order for it to be a success to the sponsors and organizers involved?
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werd up Gaylord... (another Dane Cook joke)

:biggthumpup: :biggrin:
 
beachedflunkey

beachedflunkey

wavejunkies
Location
Virginia Beach
I don't have time to read all this at the moment but it sounds like yall are on to something great :biggthumpup: . Regarding Va Beach, I'm skeptical about planning anything huge until we can set up something small and have positive local support. We're doing our first "sizeable" non-organized local Wavedaze "semi-competition" this saturday actually. At 50deg air temps it probably won't last long though...

Lemme know how I can help wherever and whenever. :cool2:
 
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