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PancakePete

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derm said:
When you say here.....do you mean Jersey or VB?

A true blown out event would work out best in VB for the center aspect. Biggest turn out. North and South...

Our laws will allow it, insurance and others items are the same at any location. it's just a matter of the leg work.

At least consider it.
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will do, but who is going to be on the ball hard to make it happen in VA,
I am very hands on and dont just make phone calls, but drive my ass to the township.... Meet with people, and whatever else.... I am going to try and get the Owner of the Pier here to get involved, the fire dept here wants in on events and said they would help ! they said, they are sure that the board walk and town would jump in too ! :fingersx:
 
Nascency Chris

Nascency Chris

The Nascency Project
my 2 pennies...

1. the head to head format will save time and push riders to ride harder...as far as judging two riders at once...have 6 total judges, 3 for each rider, that way no one can claim "well, they must have missed my double backy no hander lander"... the judges know who they are supposed to be watching before the riders go out so there is no confusion on their end...

2. as far as biased or fair judging...unfortunatly, when judging a sport such as this there is always room for interpretation in regards to style, difficulty, etc...make sure whoever you pick for judges are the most stand up people you can find...maybe not people you like but you know they will be fair and are knowledgeable about the sport, the riding, and so on...

3. i think its a bad idea to seperate the surf riding and the freestyle aspect of, well, surf riding...see my point? its kinda like takin the egg out of the omlette...

4. don't be so quick to shrug off any entry fee's for riders. it was mentioned somewhere that sponsors will pick up entry fees...well, isn't it the responsibility of each rider to hit up their sponsors for this? plus, it does kinda narrow the field to semi-serious contenders if people have to "put up or shut up"...i mean, with no entry fees, what you are really talking about is judging a freeride...if thats the case throw six people out there in lawn chairs with a few 12 packs and save yourselves the hassles...

5. this looks to be pete's brain child, does anyone seriously think that it will be held anywhere but jersey?

im not trying to be negative, i think this is an awesome idea, im just trying to play devils advocate and give you guys some points to ponder...
 
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Nascency Chris said:
"well, they must have missed my double backy no hander lander...
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LMAO ! :haha:

Very good points and that is what I/we are looking for....

The reason I wanted to break up the freestyle from the surf aspect is because I know a ton of surf riders like JoeB that are Freakin INcredible at shreding the surf... That was the reason.. Some of those guys dont throw big tricks, but they are so so awesome ! SO its still up in the "air". hehehe... I have made some preliminary phone calls and this could work with some time and effort ! I also wanted to include alot more people and maybe do 2 classes so we dont have a nose stabber, barrel learner with peeps like Ross C, Joe Kenney and slutty ! I think it would be cool to see both levels of riders bumping up there game !

I am hearing alot for the 2 at a time, so that with 6 judges, 3 and 3 on each, that sounds very Fair !

Thank you all for the great info... I think I need to get on the horn alot and talk to some peeps in depth !
 
CoreyLKN

CoreyLKN

LKN Freestyle Militia
Location
Lake norman, nc
I think this sounds like an awesome idea. I would compete in a novice classs as long as there wasnt a list of tricks that had to be done.

As far as locations another place to look at would be somewhere around the outer banks of nc. THe place goes off all year as far as surf.:bigeyes:

Let me know if there is anything i can do to help. Cause im all for this surf tour:Banane09:
 
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CoreyLKN said:
I think this sounds like an awesome idea. I would compete in a novice classs as long as there wasnt a list of tricks that had to be done.

As far as locations another place to look at would be somewhere around the outer banks of nc. THe place goes off all year as far as surf.:bigeyes:

Let me know if there is anything i can do to help. Cause im all for this surf tour:Banane09:
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Your not allow to launch pwc from the beach in Haterass and I heard on the outter banks too.

It will most likely be here... ???? At least one of them !:bigeyes:
 
demolition_x

demolition_x

Not After Fame & Fortune
Location
Holden Beach / Wilmington NC
yep outerbanks has signs where ever there is beach access. but you could launch from oregon inlet free ramp and ride out to the bridge which isn't that bad and park the skis on the beach.

but its prob not worth it. besides the current coming through the inlet is crazy but theres also huge waves most the time. and there would be no way for spectators to come unless they had 4x4


i like the jersey idea.:biggrin:
 
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CoreyLKN

CoreyLKN

LKN Freestyle Militia
Location
Lake norman, nc
demolition_x said:
yep outerbanks has signs where ever there is beach access. but you could launch from oregon inlet free ramp and ride out to the bridge which isn't that bad and park the skis on the beach.

but its prob not worth it. besides the current coming through the inlet is crazy but theres also huge waves most the time. and there would be no way for spectators to come unless they had 4x4


i like the jersey idea.:biggrin:
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That is true about the outerbanks and the current. I think though you would have to do a comp in Va or Nc somewhere for it to be eaisier for the southern riders to make.
 
Hot Water Tour Staff

Hot Water Tour Staff

Region 7 Race Promoters
Location
Largo, FL
I heard alot of great ideas so far and will do my best to take your ideas and incorporate them into our flat/surf events for the 2007 Hot Water Tour season. Pete, I love your idea but you really need to think about making this an official event sanctioned by the APBA. Work with one of the promoters there that has some experience and knows what to do. What if someone does get hurt or God forbid die? Who will the family sue? YOU! or the venue. There is some great risk doing it unofficially no matter what kind of waiver there is. Ask any attorney. You should get incorporated just in case someone does sue you they sue the company not you and your family. With that in mind if you do get insurance, pull permits, and find a venue you will spend many hours of your free time working on this even if its just one event. Now if you dont charge entry fees and rely on sponsors GOOD LUCK!! You will have no problem finding merchandise but $$$$ is what you need and not may sponsors are willing to give $$$ to a sport that is rebuilding or in your case just starting. The sponsors that do give you $$$ will give less then they can afford and you will have to find multiple sponsors and again you spend a lot of your free time. Giving up free time will get old quick and you should get compensated for all your efforts. How are you going to get crowds there??? If you have an event during a festival you will need permits. If you advertise this event that takes $$$$ and ads are not cheap. Everyone needs to join the APBA and sign the waivers. I know im new at this but for the past three month I have gone through hurdles trying to get surf events for the 2007 season and have learned how hard it is to put on an event. Its not easy but im not going anywhere for a while. You got the coast guard, wildlife, city ordinances, and old people that think jet skiing is a crime. Why do you think almost all of the Racing events are on lakes???????? No permits (sometimes), no coast guard, and no old people. Its the easy way out with a lake event. Why are most promoters doing only three events?? It takes alot of work. Contact Patrick Mell with the APBA he is a really cool guy that has been helping me out with my tour. If you want give me a call and I might be able to answer some questions you might have. I wish you all the luck and we need more freestyle events. It will grow our sport tremendously. I thank you in advance for giving this a shot. We will see you guys in Daytona!!

Thanks,
Robert Cius
 
CoreyLKN

CoreyLKN

LKN Freestyle Militia
Location
Lake norman, nc
I agree that pete will have it covered up there since he seems to be all over this and Nick could get it set up in FL but we need someone half way if we go through with this to do it halfway. I know i wont have the funds to go to Florida and then NJ in one summer to do the comps but if one was closer then more people could afford to do it.:biggthumpup:
 
Conquistador

Conquistador

B-Saw
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Location
Virginia Beach, VA
PancakePete said:
will do, but who is going to be on the ball hard to make it happen in VA,
I am very hands on and dont just make phone calls, but drive my ass to the township.... Meet with people, and whatever else.... I am going to try and get the Owner of the Pier here to get involved, the fire dept here wants in on events and said they would help ! they said, they are sure that the board walk and town would jump in too ! :fingersx:
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Pete, it's Brian in VA. I talked to you a couple of weeks ago and am planning to be in contact after the New Year per your request for some time to move in. We have a couple of people here in VB doing some leg work already for a similar competition/ride. Myself and another junkie are getting a gameplan together at the moment. As far as sponsors/insurance/medical, we have made some progress, and I hope that things can start coming together soon. There is a major corporation that spends alot of $ on different sports events like this and their international headquarters in here in VB. I have a good contact there and we hope to be able to work a deal with them. Currently, we are working on many things that need to take place first though. I have already contacted a company who has all of the medical equipment and training needed to cover an event like this. They are willing to work with us as I have known and worked with the owner for the last 4 years at a local arena. I believe that VB would be a great place to hold such an event because of it's central location and it is also a great location to introduce the sport to many new riders as there is no event at all here unlike Jersey or Daytona.
 
Air Gramps

Air Gramps

Air Gramps
Location
Virginia Beach
demolition_x said:
yep outerbanks has signs where ever there is beach access. but you could launch from oregon inlet free ramp and ride out to the bridge which isn't that bad and park the skis on the beach.

but its prob not worth it. besides the current coming through the inlet is crazy but theres also huge waves most the time. and there would be no way for spectators to come unless they had 4x4


i like the jersey idea.:biggrin:
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You can not launch a pwc at the Oregon inlet ramp $500 fine. You'd have to launch at Priates Cove 15 miles away from the inlet, and then you still can not beach. NC Sucks for PWC's.
 
Conquistador

Conquistador

B-Saw
Site Supporter
Location
Virginia Beach, VA
Yeah, NC sux. We rode Hattaras Inlet a couple of months ago. The only place to launch is a ramp 4 miles from the inlet. Sux if you're riding a standup and have to make an 8 mile round trip just to get to the surf. (Launch is on sound side)
 
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PancakePete

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Hot Water Tour Staff said:
I heard alot of great ideas so far and will do my best to take your ideas and incorporate them into our flat/surf events for the 2007 Hot Water Tour season. Pete, I love your idea but you really need to think about making this an official event sanctioned by the APBA. Work with one of the promoters there that has some experience and knows what to do. What if someone does get hurt or God forbid die? Who will the family sue? YOU! or the venue. There is some great risk doing it unofficially no matter what kind of waiver there is. Ask any attorney. You should get incorporated just in case someone does sue you they sue the company not you and your family. With that in mind if you do get insurance, pull permits, and find a venue you will spend many hours of your free time working on this even if its just one event. Now if you dont charge entry fees and rely on sponsors GOOD LUCK!! You will have no problem finding merchandise but $$$$ is what you need and not may sponsors are willing to give $$$ to a sport that is rebuilding or in your case just starting. The sponsors that do give you $$$ will give less then they can afford and you will have to find multiple sponsors and again you spend a lot of your free time. Giving up free time will get old quick and you should get compensated for all your efforts. How are you going to get crowds there??? If you have an event during a festival you will need permits. If you advertise this event that takes $$$$ and ads are not cheap. Everyone needs to join the APBA and sign the waivers. I know im new at this but for the past three month I have gone through hurdles trying to get surf events for the 2007 season and have learned how hard it is to put on an event. Its not easy but im not going anywhere for a while. You got the coast guard, wildlife, city ordinances, and old people that think jet skiing is a crime. Why do you think almost all of the Racing events are on lakes???????? No permits (sometimes), no coast guard, and no old people. Its the easy way out with a lake event. Why are most promoters doing only three events?? It takes alot of work. Contact Patrick Mell with the APBA he is a really cool guy that has been helping me out with my tour. If you want give me a call and I might be able to answer some questions you might have. I wish you all the luck and we need more freestyle events. It will grow our sport tremendously. I thank you in advance for giving this a shot. We will see you guys in Daytona!!

Thanks,
Robert Cius
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THANK YOU, I PLAN ON BEING LEGIT. UP HERE, COAST GUARD LOVES ME!
I WILL TAKE WHAT U SAY SERIUOS.
 
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PancakePete

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capitanBS said:
Pete, it's Brian in VA. I talked to you a couple of weeks ago and am planning to be in contact after the New Year per your request for some time to move in. We have a couple of people here in VB doing some leg work already for a similar competition/ride. Myself and another junkie are getting a gameplan together at the moment. As far as sponsors/insurance/medical, we have made some progress, and I hope that things can start coming together soon. There is a major corporation that spends alot of $ on different sports events like this and their international headquarters in here in VB. I have a good contact there and we hope to be able to work a deal with them. Currently, we are working on many things that need to take place first though. I have already contacted a company who has all of the medical equipment and training needed to cover an event like this. They are willing to work with us as I have known and worked with the owner for the last 4 years at a local arena. I believe that VB would be a great place to hold such an event because of it's central location and it is also a great location to introduce the sport to many new riders as there is no event at all here unlike Jersey or Daytona.
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AWESOME, I WILL BE INTOUCH ! :biggthumpup:
 
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