"Foam" is a 4 letter word.... :(

onesojourner

I use a thumb throttle.
Location
springfield, mo
I don't think packing peanuts would absorb water and they don't weigh anything. didn't skywalker take the foam out of the front of his ski too? he did not try to replace the foam with anything. we are trying to think of something better than foam.
 

GUMP

i rekon
Location
Pensacola, FL
you know Idok coke sample was not very far to real ...

there is a test being done in Brasil they made a "road" with houses in it....floating in a river by 10000+ 2 litters .study part of recycle for no pollution.

i prob not adding anything but maybe smaller bottles ? dunno
 

butti

lone wolf
Location
F-XTC
im gonna make a trunk out of that area so i can take stuff with me when i go ride :bananajump:i can keep my camera,sunscreen,towel ect.in there and maybe even an orange pfd.that should provide good floatation also!!:Banane01:
 

aof13

Sfl free since 3/28
hasnt anyone ever went to a hotel or a gameroom with a pingpong table and gotten a ball with a dent in it? They dont crack, they dent/smash. That will then create voids and weaken the structure.
 
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romack991

homebrewed
Location
Warsaw, IN
hasnt anyone ever went to a hotel or a gameroom with a pingpong table and gotten a ball with a dent in it? They dont crack, they dent/smash. That will then create voids and weaken the structure.

they wouldnt use ping pong balls for any structural strength. they would simple be for floatation. reinforcing would be done for strength.
 

meatball

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Location
Maryland
they wouldnt use ping pong balls for any structural strength. they would simple be for floatation. reinforcing would be done for strength.


Right, so essentially it would be FL-crackers ski but with something in there for flotation just in case. Let's look at this realistically however, the packing density of ping-pong balls is very bad. Even on a stock motored ski, I doubt if it sank, including water in that cavity, that it would float. The purpose of foam isnt just to piss you off when defoaming, but its to take the space of water when you do get a crack back there or sink the ski. My guess is that a cavity filled with water and ping pong balls will have much less buoyancy then a cavity with wet foam. If you had sqaure ping pong balls, it might be a different story, but I dont think the yamaha engineers allowed for that cavity to be very much bigger then it absolutely needs to be to float. Keep in mind it does take a certain period of time for the foam to get to a 'wet' stage.

Oh, and as for a rebuttal to the reason for draining a carolina with drain holes on an incline, the width of the foam is much much less. The hull as a hull 'beats' the waves, and most often when there is a leak, the bottom hull shell delaminates from the foam, and water stay in between the bottom hull shell and the foam. So, when you wanna get rid of the water, you just drill a hole and let that puddled water out. On a ski, the points of entry are from many more different locations then on a carolina or other foam hulled boat like a Dell Quay or Boston Whaler, things like the exhaust tube which creates a small gap between the tube and the foam and allows water to leak 'up' along that pocket, prevent the water from generally settling in one area, like the bottom of the boat, as in a foam cored boat.

Even then, drilling holes in the back of a foam cored boat is NEVER the complete solution to wet foam, I've witnessed this in a case of my own and a few other people I know. The complete solution is unfortunately to cut the entire bottom off, and like a ski, refoam, which is unfortunately what I'm going to have to do to a boat of mine. In any event, I am fed up with foam, both in skis, and boats. Especially those like the Carolina that have NO stringers.

The only time I would agree that is a good solution, is if its a cheap boat, or the water has been a recent problem and hasnt 'worked into' the foam, as I've discovered is the case with many other boats. My neighbor had a similar solution, tried 'draining' it, didnt work. Eventually he cut the bottom of, and let it sit for a YEAR under lights to keep the surface temperature 70 or above in the summer. He then took a sample of the foam, and it was still wet. He ended up cutting it all out refoaming and sealing it very well.
 
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WaveDemon

Not Dead - Notable Member
Location
Hell, Florida
what about the white foam they make coolers out of. I know my blaster has that kind of foam and is constantly in contact with water and doesn't absorb it.
 

meatball

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Location
Maryland
you mean like the nose foam? It would work, basically like the DOW stuff, but for the guys who dont have reinforced trays, the expanding foam acts as a good part of the strength you get for landings and riding around. That stuff does 'expand' persay, but only in the factory, other then that, it's cut to shape.
 

meatball

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Location
Maryland
but again, you'll still have a small void, unless you cut and assembled it very carefully. The expanding foam actually fills every niche (or it should) so you have adhesion as well as void filling which puts the flexing down to a minimum, but also doesnt allow for water transfer. It would work, but I would reinforce the tray a bit more.

In any case, thats pretty much the same as the Dow pink foam that someone mentioned they used.
 
just foam your boat and RIDE.

if you dont care about losing your boat, DONT foam it.

if you want to be McGyver, fill it with paperclips, bottlecaps and rubberbands then get back to us.

:haha:

its pretty funny who calls what "negative" around here.

:cat40::cat40::cat40::cat40::cat40::cat40::cat40:
 

waterfreak

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He's a thought!...How about filling the gunwales with helium balloons!:fest30:
Think about the amount of air time you'll get!:stupid:
 

freestylegeek

waiting...
Location
Grand Rapids, MI
I would like to know how difficult it would be to use expanded polystyrene. The foam in the nose gets drenched all day long and holds up fine. I guess the only problem is that the polystyrene needs steam to expand, and that might be hard to do in a garage....

At any rate Nick, I feel your pain! I think it's some sort of 'rite of passage' that all jetskiers must go through.
 

RiverRat

.......
Location
Louisville, Ky
If you could get a mold of the inside of the ski you could make a air bladder out of a rubber material. Just fill it up with air like the tire on your car.......if there is pressure in it it should provide more than enough support for the tray.

OR

construct a bag out of vacume bag material and expand the foam in that to keep the water off from foam it self = no water absorbtion.
 

aof13

Sfl free since 3/28
The weight of the foam is probably less than the amount of glass/resin you would need to make the boat strong enough to not use foam.
 
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