Hand guns

[NVJAY775]

The xdm I picked up is the do it all gun for now. Over time, I'll pick up a ccw gun. And probably a few others as well. Unless it's cold outside and I'm wearing a layer or 2 the xdm is a bit thick and very easy to see. Maybe I should gain a lot of weight?! Hmmm lol!

Still though. It's such a fun gun to shoot and super comfy for my hands. Even better after downsizing the grip panels to the 1's.

I liked the feel of a sig the best, but it wasn't as accurate. Wish I knew which sig it was... Forgot. Lack of knowledge on my part.


Anybody using a strobe for household distraction / protection? If so, how are you using it?

 

[Joker]

Strobe?

 

[NVJAY775]

A bright strobe light. I was talking to a client yesterday and he had a super bright strobe light that more or less makes it very hard for the person / persons to see you, but easy for you to see them. Mainly in your home I guess? I don't know much about them though.. Just curious. You can hold it, attach it to your gun, set it up in whatever spot you feel is the best etc...

 

[Joker]

Huh. It's a good idea if it's not attached to your gun. The only thing is if it's not by you how do you activate it? Remote maybe.

I don't like the idea of flashlight on a gun because if an intruder us in your home and they don't happen to be in the light it makes it easy for them to determine where you are.

 

[Quinc]

A bright strobe light. I was talking to a client yesterday and he had a super bright strobe light that more or less makes it very hard for the person / persons to see you, but easy for you to see them. Mainly in your home I guess? I don't know much about them though.. Just curious. You can hold it, attach it to your gun, set it up in whatever spot you feel is the best etc...

Popular after the movie Kick Ass. Start at 2:08

 

[swapmeet]

So the theory on lights is that you don't want one that's too bright. Inside your home, you'll get a lot of wash, or kick back from the light that will make it hard for you to see as well. 200 lumens is what most would recommend as the ideal number. Once again, the strobe can work for and against you. The best way to determine what is best for you is try it out. Practice clearing your house at night, see what works.

Then you have the discussion of how many functions and buttons do you want your light to have? I prefer a simple momentary on button and nothing else. But thats after a lot of practice and frustration with multifunction lights.

Most gun mounted lights (good ones anyway) have a momentary on, and a lock on. So as you clear your house, you can bump the light on as needed. But if you want to leave it on, you can.
I have this one, http://www.amazon.com/Insight-Technology-GLL-001-A1-Weapon-Light/dp/B001C36R4W
But this is a good option http://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-6...&qid=1411740575&sr=1-11&keywords=weapon+light
Or this http://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-6...8&qid=1411740575&sr=1-6&keywords=weapon+light

There are lights in the $30 range, and they work but... you get what you pay for.

There are a lot of "professionals" that prefer to work their light separately from the weapon. I think its personal preference.

 

[Quinc]

Even better just get a set of these for the whole family:

 

[swapmeet]

Or these...

They're only 30k/ea

 

[wanderer1]

I like Surefire M-952-v's and M-900-v's on Carbines/rifles. Pistols, I like the TLR-1's, as they seem sufficient and are priced very well for the construction and reliability they deliver. Been thru a lot of lights and settled on these for my POU. A pistol or carbine class at night or in a darkened shoot house situation conducted by a professional instructor will definitely help you determine your requirements /POU for a weapons light. Help you with placement, lumen choice etc. Will also help you avoid what a lot of people don't talk about and that is negligent light discharge, this can really be a deal breaker when it comes to your safety during an engagement. You guys have fun.

 

[Quinc]

I like Surefire M-952-v's and M-900-v's on Carbines/rifles. Pistols, I like the TLR-1's, as they seem sufficient and are priced very well for the construction and reliability they deliver. Been thru a lot of lights and settled on these for my POU. A pistol or carbine class at night or in a darkened shoot house situation conducted by a professional instructor will definitely help you determine your requirements /POU for a weapons light. Help you with placement, lumen choice etc. Will also help you avoid what a lot of people don't talk about and that is negligent light discharge, this can really be a deal breaker when it comes to your safety during an engagement. You guys have fun.

HA! Wrong... Mall ninja's like us do not need training!

The best light is all the lights.

 

[wanderer1]

HA! Wrong... Mall ninja's like us do not need training!

The best light is all the lights.

Guy must own a Dodge Cummins too lol. Stacks on his stack on his stacked mirrors stacked. Yeah man, the "training" to be more effective with the "tools" you guys own is merely a suggestion. One that I strongly urge, some might already have, and I think will be an enjoyable experience also. It can be a lot of fun and instills confidence in the user. Have fun

 

[Quinc]

Guy must own a Dodge Cummins too lol. Stacks on his stack on his stacked mirrors stacked. Yeah man, the "training" to be more effective with the "tools" you guys own is merely a suggestion.

I agree, learning the proper way to use and practice makes it much more enjoyable too. What do you think about the MagPul training videos?

 

[wanderer1]

Costa and Haley are extremely effective operators with a lot of real world knowledge and experience. They also have the ability to facilitate and impart their experience to others. That being said, the videos I believe are a good way to prepare yourself for class. There really needs to be a hands on instructor to get the full effect of the curriculum imo. Not getting effective training for these high end tools is like buying a high dollar ski and engine but ya don't wanna pay for race gas.

 

[Quinc]

Costa and Haley are extremely effective operators with a lot of real world knowledge and experience. That being said, the videos I believe are a good way to prepare yourself for class. There really needs to be a hands on instructor to get the full effect of the curriculum imo. Not getting effective training for these high end tools is like buying a high dollar ski and engine but ya don't wanna pay for race gas.

Quickest way to get better at anything is to practice with people who are better then you.

 

[wanderer1]

I'm sure a good "fighting pistol" class would surprise a lot of people.

 

[Joker]

3 months and 12 days before I can make my first purchase. Pretty stoked

 

[NVJAY775]

Not trying to derail at all here, but paintball experience does help a bit. Granted bullets don't "bounce" but still. You can get into some pretty intense scenarios many many times. Yes it's outside, or inside and all that other stuff. But you will find yourself down on odds, up on odds, one on ones, one on 7's occasionally when your team gets mowed off the break lol. So you learn to watch, listen, stay alive, move and finish wicked fast.

At our old paintball field, the Air Force and Marines would come to train with us and we'd basically destroy them. But they were really interested in learning everything they could from us. After a couple days of training they really learned a lot more about angles, communication, movement, setting up moves and all kinds of other stuff. I'd say one of the biggest bummers for them was it takes a lot longer than 2 days to learn to shoot on and off hand. That had them at a disadvantage unfortunately. But in the end they were all super thankful and felt they learned way more with us in 2 days than months in the service.

My oldest son got into the Marines right after we ended our competitive paintball stretch and it helped him out tremendously in many ways. And it was by far the most adrenaline pumping sport I've ever been in. Even more than skis, sad to say. I love skis, but they don't hold a candle to PB for me.

But I have a ton to learn about guns, laws, classes, pretty much everything. So I'm here to soak up all I can from you guys that do know what's up.

Thanks for everything guys. I really appreciate it.

 

[wanderer1]

^^^Even though I have never actively participated in situation like you describe, I would have to agree that it couldn't hurt as long as you didn't learn any "bad" habits. But it is supposed to be fun and recreation so use it. Airsoft may more closely replicate training but doubtful its as much fun ha ha

 

[Joker]

I used to paintball competently also. I'm thinkig about getting back into it.

 

[Idok]

Costa and Haley are extremely effective operators with a lot of real world knowledge and experience. They also have the ability to facilitate and impart their experience to others. That being said, the videos I believe are a good way to prepare yourself for class. There really needs to be a hands on instructor to get the full effect of the curriculum imo. Not getting effective training for these high end tools is like buying a high dollar ski and engine but ya don't wanna pay for race gas.

costa is a training tool from the coastguard....he has never been in a gun battle




haley is OAF so is Kyle Lamb