Hand guns

[Offroadie]

Great video swap, I may have to make one of those up tonight at work. We have sheets of that material laying around and enough duct tape to build 10 787's a month.



The P226 is still pretty high on my want list.

I like the P226. The P229 (which I carry) is just slightly shorter... but essentially the same gun. With the Secret Service and Navy Seals carrying P229 & P226... well... I think that speaks for itself.

 

[Quinc]

Everyone knows the best 1911 is the Colt Gold Cup National Match.

Grips are based on the IZH 46M Match Air Pistol.
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/IZH_46M_Match_Air_Pistol/78?ab=1

 

[swapmeet]

Ain't nobody got time for dat!


Anyone have opinions on the Sig P224?

 

[RSKI]

Ain't nobody got time for dat!


Anyone have opinions on the Sig P224?

I've never shot a p224, not that I remember anyway. However the sig 938 is an awesome carry gun. The design and functionality is spot on. It's very small but handles recoil better than any small pistol I've seen. Awesome trigger right out of the box too. Sig makes good stuff.

 

[swapmeet]

My mom is selling her LCR to get a 938 for EDC.

I read the trigger is heavy for a single action, but I've never shot one.

 

[OCD Solutions]

With the Secret Service and Navy Seals carrying P229 & P226... well... I think that speaks for itself.

That's one of the reasons I liked it too, besides how natural it felt in my hand. The Beretta 92 has been used in the US military for over 30 years and feels just as natural as the P226 which is why I jumped at the ATI Clone. Every bit the quality of the Beretta 92FS but hundreds cheaper. The cheapest P226 I found was used and the guy still wanted $950 where I was out the door for $350 with my ATI C92.

My mom is selling her LCR to get a 938 for EDC.

I read the trigger is heavy for a single action, but I've never shot one.

I just put a Wolff Spring kit in my FEG P63 and it made a world of difference. I went with the recommended 15# recoil spring and a 9# hammer spring and it's not even the same gun anymore. It was a PITA to rack the first round and the trigger pull made accuracy impossible. The factory recoil spring would also hang up the cheap blazer aluminum cased ammo halfway into the chamber so it would jam at least 3 times per 7 round mag. Not exactly ideal for a defensive weapon. It still hangs at least one round per mag but the aluminum cased ammo is very dry and doesn't slide well. I'm going to burn through it and replace it with Hornady unless someone can recommend a way to lube or polish up the cases.

Doesn't look like Wolff Springs has a kit for the 938 yet though but they make kits for just about everything else and are worth looking in to.
http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=4

 

[RSKI]

"It still hangs at least one round per mag but the aluminum cased ammo is very dry and doesn't slide well. I'm going to burn through it and replace it with Hornady unless someone can recommend a way to lube or polish up the cases."

If you have a lot of that ammo left you could get an aerosol can of dry lube. 3M is probably the best, sold on Amazon for $10. Just a light coat and let it evaporate. I wouldn't use it for personal defense, but at least you might be able to shoot it without clearing a jam every other round. That might not help though, depending on what the problem is causing the jam.

Not saying your grip is the problem, but if you limp wrist it, it will probably jam too.

 

[OCD Solutions]

I have less than 100 rounds left so it will go fast. I'll try the dry lube and see if that helps for sure. Thanks for the tip!

 

[OCD Solutions]

Went to the range again yesterday. I finally broke down and adjusted the front sight on my Ruger plus I wanted to see if the FEG shoots better with lubricated bullets.

I cycled about 75 rounds thru various guns to warm up and then paired off the 2 guns again, 30 rounds each at 15 yards; Ruger SR9c on the left, ATI C92 on the left. Grouping is better and the Ruger is almost on target now. The front sight was 1.78mm off center and is now centered within. 02mm.



The lubricated ammo cycled fine but the slide is hanging up now. I tore it down and found I had a little pin in backwards with the chamfered end pointing the wrong way. It's cycling good now and I cycled it a few hundred times to help break it in afterwards. The real surprise is how accurate this little gun is. I only fired it 5 times yesterday and 4 out of 5 rounds were touching at 15 yards with the 5th no less than 1/4" away from the others. Basically my cheapest gun is the most accurate. It's very similar to the Walther PPK so maybe James Bond is on to something.?.?. I was very surprised that such a short barrel could be so accurate. My theory is that the barrel is so short, the bullet has already left before I have a chance to pull the gun.?.?.?

 

[OCD Solutions]

Everyone knows the best 1911 is the Colt Gold Cup National Match.

Ain't nobody got time for dat!

My local dealer has a mint used one on display (same as above only factory grips) for $1750 cash price. Didn't catch what series it's from but It's tagged to not hand it across the counter to ANYONE! unless they are holding cash.

 

[Idok]

that photo should have 7 holes in the target...

 

[OCD Solutions]

I thought the same thing. At least one in the red anyways.

 

[Jetfiend]

Why not?

We plink 6" plates at 90-100 yards all the time w .45 1911's

The air must be more clear over there..

Some information I found:

Handgun Trajectory Table By Chuck Hawks In order to hit a distant target a handgun must be correctly sighted-in, and to accomplish that the shooter must have some working knowledge of the bullet's trajectory. Sighting-in a pistol to hit a certain number of inches high at 25, 50, or 100 yards (or meters) maximizes the point blank range of the gun and cartridge and is superior to zeroing at a fixed distance. This system maximizes the distance in which no "hold over" is necessary. Of course, the actual distance the bullet should hit above the point of aim at, say, 25 yards varies with the individual caliber and load. The table below is designed to serve as a starting point from which a shooter can work. Used as such it can save a lot of trial and error experimentation. Of course, no trajectory table can possibly cover all loads for all calibers in all handguns. So after sighting-in, always check your gun at various ranges to see how close its trajectory comes to the published data. This trajectory table can also serve as a comparative tool, allowing the reader to compare the trajectories of different cartridges or loads. In ballistics catalogs the point of maximum bullet rise is often called the mid-range trajectory (MRT), or sometimes the maximum ordinate. A maximum rise of 3 inches is appropriate for hunting the smaller species of big game, and also for self defense purposes. The Maximum Point Blank Range (MPBR), which is shown in the last column of the table below, is the distance at which the bullet falls 3 inches below the line of sight. Most of the loads below are similar to popular factory loads for the selected cartridges. All trajectories were calculated for a handgun using iron sights 0.8 inches above the bore axis of the barrel. If your sights are not 0.8 inches over the bore your trajectory will vary from those given below. However, 0.8 inches is a reasonable average for iron sights. All trajectory figures are rounded off to one decimal place. While environmental factors such as altitude and ambient air temperature affect trajectory, their effect is relatively minor. For the record, this table was calculated for an air temperature of 60 degrees F and an altitude of 1000 feet. The following data was taken from various sources including reloading manuals and the online Ballistics Calculator provided by BigGameInfo. To save space, the following abbreviations are used in the table below: Wb = Weight of bullet (in grains); MV = Muzzle Velocity (in feet per second); BC = Ballistic Coefficient; yards = yds.; inches = "; MPBR = Maximum Point blank Range.

Cartridge (Wb@MV)	Bullet BC	25 yds.	50 yds.	100 yds.	MPBR (yds.)
.221 Fireball (50 at 2600)	.238	+0.7"	+1.8"	+2.9	237
.25 ACP (50 at 760)	.116	+2.9"	+2.8"	-10.5"	80
.30 Carbine (105 at 1600)	.150	+1.4"	+2.7"	+1.8"	139
.32 ACP (71 at 905)	.118	+2.5"	+2.9"	-5.4"	90
.32 S&W Long (100 at 705)	.167	+3.1"	+2.6"	-13.4"	75
.32 H&R Mag. (85 at 1100)	.145	+2.1"	+3.0"	-1.7"	106
.32-20 Win. (100 at 1000)	.170	+2.2"	+2.9"	-2.8"	98
.380 ACP (90 at 1000)	.099	+2.3"	+2.9"	-3.5"	96
9mm Makarov (95 at 975)	.100	+2.3"	+2.9"	-3.8"	95
9mm Luger (115 at 1135)	.140	+1.9"	+2.9"	-1.7"	107
9mm Luger (124 at 1100)	.145	+2.1"	+3.0"	-1.7"	106
9mm Luger (147 at 990)	.212	+2.1"	+2.7"	-3.2"	98
.38 Super (125 at 1240)	.145	+1.9"	+3.0"	-0.3"	115
.357 SIG (125 at 1350)	.145	+1.7"	+2.9"	+0.4"	122
.38 Spec. (125 at 850)	.151	+2.4"	+2.6"	-7.1"	85
.38 Spec. (140 at 800)	.169	+2.6"	+2.8"	+-8.3"	82
.38 Spec. (158 at 760)	.139	+3.1"	+2.7"	-10.1"	79
.38 Spec. +P (110 at 1000)	.131	+2.2"	+3.0"	-3.4"	98
.38 Spec. +P (125 at 950)	.151	+2.3"	+2.9"	-4.0"	95
.38 Spec. +P (158 at 890)	.139	+2.6"	+3.0"	-5.5"	90
.357 Mag. (110 at 1300)	.131	+1.8"	+2.9"	0.0"	117
.357 Mag. (125 at 1235)	.151	+1.9"	+3.0"	-0.3"	115
.357 Mag. (125 at 1450)	.151	+1.6"	+2.8"	+1.1"	129
.357 Mag. (140 at 1000)	.169	+2.2"	+2.9"	-3.1"	99
.357 Mag. (140 at 1400)	.169	+1.6"	+2.8"	+0.9"	127
.357 Mag. (158 at 1250)	.206	+1.8"	+3.0"	+0.1"	119
.357 Mag. (180 at 1180)	.230	+1.9"	+2.9"	-0.4"	115
.40 S&W (135 at 1190)	.093	+2.0"	+2.9"	-1.7"	106
.40 S&W (155 at 1180)	.137	+2.0"	+3.0"	-0.8"	111
.40 S&W (180 at 950)	.164	+2.3"	+2.9"	-4.2"	95
10mm Auto (155 at 1300)	.137	+1.8"	+2.9"	0.0"	119
10mm Auto (180 at 1150)	.164	+2.0"	+3.0"	-1.1"	110
.41 Rem. Mag. (210 at 1300)	.182	+1.7"	+2.8"	+0.2"	120
.44 Spec. (240 at 750)	.182	+3.1"	+2.6"	-9.3"	78
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1000)	.122	+2.3"	+2.9"	-3.3"	98
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1295)	.122	+1.4"	+2.8"	+0.3"	121
.44 Rem. Mag. (225 at 1450)	.146	+1.6"	+2.8"	+1.1"	129
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1144)	.205	+1.7"	+3.1"	+/- 0"	118
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1172)	.205	+1.6"	+3.0"	+0.1"	120
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1200)	.205	+1.6"	+3.0"	+0.5"	122
.44 Rem. Mag. (265 at 1300)	.189	+1.8"	+2.9"	+0.5"	123
.44 Rem. Mag. (300 at 1150)	.245	+2.0"	+2.9"	-0.7"	112
.45 ACP (185 at 1000)	.109	+2.2"	+2.8"	-3.7"	96
.45 ACP (200 at 975)	.138	+2.3"	+3.0"	-3.8"	97
.45 ACP (230 at 850)	.195	+2.6"	+2.5"	-6.9"	88
.45 Colt (200 at 1000)	.138	+2.2"	+2.9"	-3.5"	98
.45 Colt (225 at 960)	.158	+2.2"	+2.9"	-3.9"	95
.45 Colt (250 at 860)	.138	+2.5"	+2.8"	-6.9"	86
.45 Win. Mag. (260 at 1200)	.183	+1.8"	+2.9"	-0.6"	113
.454 Casull (260 at 1300)	.183	+1.7"	+2.8"	+0.2"	120
.454 Casull (260 at 1800)	.183	+1.2"	+2.5"	+2.5"	159
.454 Casull (300 at 1625)	.199	+1.4"	+2.7"	+2.1"	148
.475 Linebaugh (400 at 1300)	.182	+1.7"	+2.8"	+0.2"	120
.480 Ruger (325 at 1350)	.150	+1.7"	+2.9"	+0.6"	123
.50 AE (325 at 1400)	.149	+1.6"	+2.8"	+0.8"	126
.50 S&W Mag. (325 at 1600)	.149	+1.4"	+2.7"	+1.8"	139

 

[RSKI]

^^ sorry, my ADD won't let me focus long enough to read all of that...

 

[Peter123]

Just ordered my IWB holster for my 9. I decided after some research to go with White Hat and got the MaxTuck - http://www.whitehatholsters.com/maxtuck/?sort=pricedesc

It's essentially the same as the Crossbreed (and several others), but made in Texas.

Scheduling my CHL class for Nov 9.

 

[chadman154]

any reviews on a springfield xd 9 and xd 9 sub. Im looking to use it as an open carry weapon on the rentals. I currently have lcp 380 for my CCW

 

[RSKI]

any reviews on a springfield xd 9 and xd 9 sub. Im looking to use it as an open carry weapon on the rentals. I currently have lcp 380 for my CCW

XD's are very reliable. I can't stand the long trigger reset, but I don't mind the rest of the gun. IMO a much better choice than an LCP for personal defense.

 

[wanderer1]

The XD series has been well received and continues to be accurate and dependable. Shoot one first though. They seem to be like Glocks with shooters as in you will love it or hate it. Sure are a lot of good choices available out there.

 

[chadman154]

I didnt shoot it, but i liked the feel on the xd sub, fits my hand perfect. large enough with a 12 rd clip and no to big to be lugging around on my waist....
The Lcp is super nice due to size, fits in my back pocket while im working on certain jobsites. Other than that, im not a huge fan of it

 

[Peter123]

I went to the range last night and shot about 9 different pistols with different rounds including 38, 9, 40 and 45.

After doing a bit of research and then firing different weapons, I've decided to go with the G19.

Now, my only decision is to go with the Gen 3 or the Gen 4. Last night I put about 50 rounds through a Gen 3, and it felt very comfortable in my hand, so the swappable backstrap isn't a big deal for me.

What I do like about the Gen4 is:

It's supposed to have less kick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_s8e6zkI3w

It has a heavier guide rod

It has a larger magazine release.

Since I haven't held the Gen 4 yet, I'm not sure which grip texture I might like more.

Right now, I'll leaning toward paying the extra $50 for the Gen 4.

If you have any suggestion as to why I might consider one over the other, please let me know.

Oh, BTW, an update.

About a week after this post, another friend invited me to go shooting with him out on his property. I shot a few different guns, including his primary carry, a Walther PPS 9mm. I enjoyed shooting the PPS a lot, and was really impressed how "low profile" it was to carry due to its lack of "thickness" via the single stack. After doing some more thinking and reading, I went with the PPS as my primary on person carry. I bought one Tuesday. I still plan to buy the G19 Gen 4 this coming spring and then look at a revolver next winter. My plan is to limit myself to no more than 5 pistols. This will put me with my 9mm PPS, my GSG 22lr 1911, a future G19 G4 9mm and a revolver of unknown make or caliber, which would leave me room for something else that might strike my fancy down the road (my guess might be a .45).