Lightweight hull manufacturers

GDFL

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waterfreak said:
I'll second that! until one hull has been produce, than it's just speculations. From what I heard, the molds that he used for Malone belonged to Malone. I'm sure their was a little drama between the two , but who needs it!

If XFT makes a complete carbon hull for 5k , than it's quite a deal for sure. Here in the states, were just lucky to find carbon and pay thru the azs for it!:banghead:

Until we can mass produce lightweight hulls in China, than the prices are more likely to stay the course. I know it is much much cheaper to make hulls in Brazil (maybe due to it's cheap labor) explaining why there are 4 builders over there:rolleyes:
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Would people buy a chinese hull? I've got some connections and actually gave it half a thought, but I didn't want to hurt the US market.
 
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Freestyleriverrat

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GDFL said:
Would people buy a chinese hull? I've got some connections and actually gave it half a thought, but I didn't want to hurt the US market.
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I am sure people would buy whatever is the cheapest
 
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aof13

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GDFL said:
Would people buy a chinese hull? I've got some connections and actually gave it half a thought, but I didn't want to hurt the US market.
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Why do people buy Japanese cars? Why do people buy European cars? They buy what they like.
 
sjetrider

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FL-cracker said:
That is all 100% correct.:biggthumpup: Im at the shop 4 days a week working on my boat, so I do kinda know whats going on.:sneaky: Like I said he has not even started the hull yet.

You will get to see his work in Daytona dont worry.:biggrin:
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Hey Cracker, I hope you are giving some insight, a racer making a freestyle hull? Like you said he is a racer and is currently making SXR parts?? Hope he will focus on freestyle issues. A race hull is a totally different animal,
I am rooting for him though:cheer: the more options the better. Every builders products must be proven this is nothing new they are all speculation even after the first few are built. I have see early products of a lot of builders that were sold on this market and proved to be high dollar junk. I saw 2 hoods in GA this weekend that were from so called "top builders" that were friggin junk and I felt really bad for the owners having to have spent big $$$$$ for trash. Both of these builders told these guys " those were some of my earlier ones and arent as good as newer ones" but offered no trades for them. This makes me want to wait a while to buy a hull. There are a lot of XFT's being bought and a few WF's as well, guess I will just have to wait and see.
 
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sjetrider said:
Hey Cracker, I hope you are giving some insight, a racer making a freestyle hull? Like you said he is a racer and is currently making SXR parts?? Hope he will focus on freestyle issues. A race hull is a totally different animal,
I am rooting for him though:cheer: the more options the better. Every builders products must be proven this is nothing new they are all speculation even after the first few are built. I have see early products of a lot of builders that were sold on this market and proved to be high dollar junk. I saw 2 hoods in GA this weekend that were from so called "top builders" that were friggin junk and I felt really bad for the owners having to have spent big $$$$$ for trash. Both of these builders told these guys " those were some of my earlier ones and arent as good as newer ones" but offered no trades for them. This makes me want to wait a while to buy a hull. There are a lot of XFT's being bought and a few WF's as well, guess I will just have to wait and see.
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I guess you kinda missed it.....he built Malones 05 WF boat that weighed 42lbs with hood. He is very familiar with making a boat work. When you guys see his work you will no longer question his abilitys. A few of the FL guys have already seen his work. No expence spared in his Materials!

As far as I know Bobby has no plans for making a race hull. His race ride plate is amazing though, the boat handles incredible. His plate weighs 2lb 2oz. My SJ protec plate is about 6" shorter and weighs 4lb 1oz.
 
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Freestyleriverrat

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SkiNaked said:
Not necessarly true. I want quality. Not all of us are jumping on the Wal-mart bandwagon as you can see in other posts.
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Same here...........but just by listening to some coments on the boards it sounds like people are leaning towards the cheapest priced hull available, some even at the expense of quality. But wherther or not they put their $$ where their mouth is a different story. Only time will tell on that one.
 
Mile9c1

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I don't think you'd save much if any if you contracted a hull layup to China. Say it takes two days to lay up a hull (good estimate for standard wet layup). How much is that in US labor? $500?

So your $4,500 USA made hull is now $4,000 + whatever shipping is from China. Big savings :rolleyes:

I don't think materials would be cheaper in China, unless you bought some really chitty materials :frown:
 
GDFL

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Mile9c1 said:
I don't think you'd save much if any if you contracted a hull layup to China. Say it takes two days to lay up a hull (good estimate for standard wet layup). How much is that in US labor? $500?

So your $4,500 USA made hull is now $4,000 + whatever shipping is from China. Big savings :rolleyes:

I don't think materials would be cheaper in China, unless you bought some really chitty materials :frown:
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Not true. They do not have the enviro-nazi's overregulating every raw material there is. They can still use cfc blown urethane foam (ours is all water blown). For now we can reap the monetary benefits of their lack of enviro controls. It will be the curse of China though, when all of that catches up and they have no drinking water etc. From the limited experience I have, you can get certain raw materials over there for about half price. I'm guessing that it is a combination of things including fewer enviro controls, different taxes, cheaper labor, etc. I don't know if it would be worth it to set up. It would take at least two trips over there to get going and you have to be ready to buy as much as they can make or they'll sell it to someone else. I wonder how many decent quality hulls would sell if the price was significantly cheaper?
 
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Matt_E said:
2 minute hull, maybe?
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He stabbed the boat into the ground a couple times in practice.....no sighns of damage.....go ahead.... call :bs2: on that one too.:haha:

This thread realy makes me:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Matt you should be the 1st one to ride Bobby's hull since you seem to know everything.
 
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WaveDemon

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FL-cracker said:
He stabbed the boat into the ground a couple times in practice.....no sighns of damage.....go ahead.... call :bs2: on that one too.:haha:

This thread realy makes me:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Matt you should be the 1st one to ride Bobby's hull since you seem to know everything.
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how long would that hull last in the hands of a guy learing to roll in surf? was it meant to be used that way? will his new one be strong enough?
 
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FL-cracker

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WaveDemon said:
how long would that hull last in the hands of a guy learing to roll in surf? was it meant to be used that way? will his new one be strong enough?
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I cant say that it would hold up learning roles....that can be realy rough on a hull. It was a purpose built Ski, but the outcome was more then both Bobby and Malone expected. Bobby met Malone at a local lake in 2004 with the Lustic Brothers. He took a look at Malones curent ski back then and he nicely let him know it was not the best of quality. Malone told him that someone was gona build him a hull that was under 50lbs, Bobby countered and said I will build one under 40lb......so that is what he did.

There will be plenty of options when Bobby builds his new Hulls. A tuff surf boat should weight about 70lbs with hood. Flatwater competion boats will be much lighter. Price will vary depending on how much material is being used of course. A flatwater boat would be cheaper, then a surf ready boat. People who want a less expensive option will have that available as well, but the weight of the hull will then go up.
 
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Freestyleriverrat

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FL-cracker said:
A tuff surf boat should weight about 70lbs with hood. Flatwater competion boats will be much lighter.
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That makes more sense. I don't see a 40lb hull being durabe......not even if a good core material is used. Competiton boat is a whole different ball game..............2 minutes. No disrespect intended. I hope you guys prove me wrong..........that hull would be the ******** if it was durable at that weight
 
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FL-cracker

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Yea, honestly not sure how long that boat was around for, but it did hit bottom a few times in practice with no damage what so ever. I wouldnt want to invest that kind of money in a hull that weighed 40lbs, eventualy its gona break, after that it is never the same.
 
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