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WFO Speedracer

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One thing I have noticed unlike most metallics this paint sands really well without turning the flake up on edge , that's important since it has to be sanded to be cleared.

On old school lacquer .paintjobs they did a lot of sanding between coats and a lot of coats of both base and clear coat , this paint takes about three coats to get a proper color shift out of it., the base is good with about two coats .
 

WFO Speedracer

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Well it's time to face the music , this paint is having bad adhesion issues, I know that it is adhesion issues because the plastic gauge cover was sprayed with Bulldog bonding clear, then black base and Colorshift and it turned out perfect , on parts of the hood the paint is developing small bubbles , first it was just one then as it sat in the sun more and more started to appear.

I am not saying I am throwing in the towel just yet but on this particular ski at this particular time it's time to move on and send it down the road.

I think I have a solution but it's way too much work for right now, it involves sanding a lot of paint off and using black epoxy primer as a base, the epoxy will totally seal anything it is sprayed on and it is designed to be sprayed over without sanding it first , possibly a coat of Bulldog over the epoxy primer, truefully at this point I just don't know so I guess we will say to be continued on this one.
 

Myself

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It really sucks when bubbles start popping up. Since it happened in the sun I'm betting some armor-all type substance in the past is leaching up. I did some painting today!
 

WFO Speedracer

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This is where I am at, it's not where I want to be but it is where I am , this is a painters worst nightmare sanding down to the bare hood and starting over !

Since I have no idea which layer is the problem layer it's fire sale time here, everything must go , this time it's getting shot with Kirker single stage purple and I am calling it a day.

Most of the sanding I did while it was still on the ski because the hood is more stable that way , the rest has to be done with the hood off and a lot of it has to be done by hand yikes .
 

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This is where I am at, it's not where I want to be but it is where I am , this is a painters worst nightmare sanding down to the bare hood and starting over !

Since I have no idea which layer is the problem layer it's fire sale time here, everything must go , this time it's getting shot with Kirker single stage purple and I am calling it a day.

Most of the sanding I did while it was still on the ski because the hood is more stable that way , the rest has to be done with the hood off and a lot of it has to be done by hand yikes .
I’m hoping for the day when some tech company makes a tool that can sand everything for me. Right now it’s Todd and he talks back a lot.
 

Myself

manic mechanic
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Twin Lakes AR
Jeez!! This 550 build I'm doing........There really isn't much except the sides that can be done with a sander. Almost all of it by hand!
 

WFO Speedracer

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Sanding sucks , no two ways about it , sanding compound curves with a flat DA sander sucks even worse , sanding $80.00 to $100.00 worth of paint off because it bubbled up after I had it looking really good just so I can paint it all over again , well I believe that one takes the cake..

No guts , no glory !
 

WFO Speedracer

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I finished sanding it today and was able to get 99% of it done with the DA but that comes at a cost , DA's are flat take off a lot of paint quickly and they tend to flatten things out , I knew it would be minor and that I could probably get it straightened out in high build primer so I went full send on it.

I sprayed three coats of high build on it and waited four hours for it to cure then had sanded it with 180 grit , when I was priming it while the primer was still wet and somewhat glossy I could see the areas that needed attention and I sprayed more primer on those areas.

High build is made specifically for this purpose , it fills in the low spots then when you sand it down everything comes out fairly straight , enough so that I could no longer feel it with my hand which is the preferred method.

The sense of touch is much better than the sense of sight on body work , you basically look for the imperfections with your hand if they are there you will feel them, sometimes it helps to just close your eyes when you do this.

So now it's been sprayed and dry sanded with 180 grit , it will get resprayed tomorrow and then wet-sanded with 400 grit and be ready to spray paint on again.

I did not take a pic after it was sanded , you wouldn't be able to tell anything from a pic anyway.
 

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WFO Speedracer

A lifetime ban is like a lifetime warranty !
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So I want to talk a bit about what I think went wrong on this paintjob, while I can't say 100% for sure my best guess is that even though I used lacquer paint over lacquer primer , lacquer never really fully cures or it does so very slowly, it also shrinks quite a lot when it cures , lacquer is really thin and contains a lot of solvents that have to evaporate out of the paint. over time.

What may have happened here is that the lacquer primer was sprayed too wet or too heavy, then when the paint was applied over it and it got hot here baking in the sun the solvents in the primer below it tried to evaporate out of it, which of course the fresh paint somewhat sealed off , this caused bubbles in the paint where it tried to evap out.

I have painted a lot of stuff over lacquer primer both spray can primer and paint supplier type primers with no issues but there is always a first time for everything and apparently this was it.

So how do you prevent that, by spraying the primer in light dry coats and not letting it wet out giving it plenty of flash time between coats or by using a different and in fact much better product like the Dynacote -Sikkens 2k primer I am using on it now , I also still think that black epoxy primer would have been the best option as a base for that particular paint since it also seals the topcoat from anything below it.

You win some , you lose some and some get rained out, at least I am posting what happens either good or bad and hopefully someone can learn something from it .
 

WFO Speedracer

A lifetime ban is like a lifetime warranty !
Location
Alabama
At any rate Abra - Abracadabra. I'm gonna reach in my bag bruh
Abra - abracadabraabra. , and just like that I'm back bruh !


I got three coats of Kirker ultra-glo single stage on it this morning,, the first two were not that impressive so reached into my bag of tricks , I sprayed the last coat with about 50% reducer and she glossed right on up , I may scuff and buff or I might just Leave it alone, I still have to spray the mirrors and bases but the hoods painted , it's past the 30 minute mark so dust and other things won't hurt it and it's out in the sun to dry for 8 hrs or in this case probably overnight, I am not taking any chances.
 

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WFO Speedracer

A lifetime ban is like a lifetime warranty !
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Alabama
Nothing to come out , I sanded IT down to the shell and primed it with high build 2k Urethane primer.

When this primer kicks, it kicks hard , I know this because it tried to kick in my gun a few days ago.
 

WFO Speedracer

A lifetime ban is like a lifetime warranty !
Location
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This thing is cursed, it looked great when I left for the lake at lunch, but this morning it have some like speckles in it, so I wet sanded it with 1000 grit and found a few chunks of prime embedded into the pain, upon trying to sand them out it went through the paint in two places so time for one more colorcoat then maybe just maybe I can be done here good Lawt this thing has been a PITA !
 

WFO Speedracer

A lifetime ban is like a lifetime warranty !
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Okay here is the not yet final result, I will not insult your intelligence and say I shot the paint and it came out looking this way, it didn't , while it did shoot on fairly well I scuffed it with 1500 wet dry and buffed it . this is the beauty of using 2k polyurethane paint.

I buffed it with white BS turtle wax rubbing compound and my Kimo mini-buffer and a foam buffing pad , then later I went and got Meguiars ultimate polishing compound and buffed it with that a few minutes ago , the pic below was taken just after the buff with Turtle wax.

I will follow all that up with two coats of Mothers gold pure carnauba wax tomorrow then get to work on the mirrors and bases , it's time for this bird to leave the nest and fly on it's own. Second pic is a night pic , that section where the flash shows up is under the mirror base and will never be seen again.
 

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