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[Poizen]

well said Spark... like you say at the end of the day its your name you need to protect


got a nice tool at work I forgot about (internal inspection camera) lets take a closer look inside this beast

 

[Big Kahuna]

This will be good!

 

[Big Kahuna]

Did wammer 5200 the entire thing?

I will have to look, been a long time since I had the motor out (knock on wood)....... I know he glassed over the inspection ports, and I believe where he reinforced the sides, he turned the carbon/kevlar back over the joints of the bulkhead. Believe he 5200 (or some other similar material) around all the penetrations...... Nothing that is hard to do, anybody could do it. It just takes making the effort to do it right.

 

[txsuperjetfreak96]

Thats what i did on my 96 rn. Put tickened epoxy in gaps of bulkhead, inside engine bay and under tray then put 12oz biax strips on the edges

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[Twinturbostang]

Just read all this. You are handling it better than I would. I don't much care about gel coat chips, but your pump issues and no foam is scary.

I built roll cages for a while. I sold a few as kits online also. I sold them for a lot of money. To people that had money and expensive toys. They were custom and one off. CUSTOM

I realize cages and skis are not the same. I'm trying to get the point across that of you are going to make a BUSINESS building something, you better be damn good at it. You better be willing to accept your wrong. You better be willing to communicate properly. You better be willing to work the hardest you ever have for not near as much money as you thought.

I didn't have any issues with my sales. Everything fit how it should. I took time to do things right for people because thaTs what I expect. Would it be ok for me to make a prototype cage for someone's vehicle, ship it to them, and then when they roll it and it fails and they die, just tell them they should have bought a more expensive one? That see,s to be a lot of people's logic. I realize perfection is impossible, but this leaving a shop like that is flat out not taking pride in your work. Garbage IMO.

I totally understand being pissed your called a liar. I don't know how anyone could defend that. I almost got one of these hulls. Seriously. I am so glad I didn't after reading all this. I COULD fix all that myself, and have that ski on the water. Why should you have to do any mods to your hull at all? Some people obviously think that's ok. That's bull poop. I work my ass of for my money. If 3k isn't a lot to you, and you wanna rub it in, that's cool, pound it in your ass. It's a lot of money to most of us and while it seems a lot of us will bend over and take it in the tailpipe with zero lube, I'm glad to see some of us woñt, and are willing to speak up. Thank you.


Hope you love the ride poizen, you have earned it man

The $3,000 is about the price point and what you are getting not the amount. Its just like people buying a smart car don't bitch about the car not having power, you are getting a great value for the money. Funny part about this whole thing is I had like 10 hours into doing a pump shoe on my rickter, and I had even more time make one work on a bob. Not saying its right by any means just saying its a standard.

 

[Poizen]

The $3,000 is about the price point and what you are getting not the amount. Its just like people buying a smart car don't bitch about the car not having power, you are getting a great value for the money. Funny part about this whole thing is I had like 10 hours into doing a pump shoe on my rickter, and I had even more time make one work on a bob. Not saying its right by any means just saying its a standard.

but when you buy a car you expect the wheel alignment to be done right?

 

[Twinturbostang]

but when you buy a car you expect the wheel alignment to be done right?

Today yes, in the 80s nope. This aftermarket hull industry in in the early years so compare that to the early years on the auto industry.

and once again you are talking about production line cars. Think about aftermarket, like kit cars. You have the same issues everyday trust me.

 

[Poizen]

Today yes, in the 80s nope. This aftermarket hull industry in in the early years so compare that to the early years on the auto industry.

no today is today cant compare

so if I make a product and you not happy I will just say well 20years ago you would of been happy so today you must be happy?

 

[AdzUK]

The $3,000 is about the price point and what you are getting not the amount. Its just like people buying a smart car don't bitch about the car not having power, you are getting a great value for the money. Funny part about this whole thing is I had like 10 hours into doing a pump shoe on my rickter, and I had even more time make one work on a bob. Not saying its right by any means just saying its a standard.

Maybe its best if these hull come without the pump shoe installed then if it can't be done correct. Will save people time and money, as i had to have the brand new pump shoe smashed out on my brand new hull, buy another shoe and pay to have it installed correctly. And the original price for my ski was $5000.

 

[KTM434]

It's not a time reference but more of a reference of how new this industry is. Hull builders are still learning from their own mistakes and other builders mistakes in order to improve their quality. You pay less for a product from a new company and once they get some product out there and find the spots that need improvement they can fine tune their product to make it better. Then once their product has the bugs worked out and they have some products out there to be seen and ridden the price will increase. I'm one of the cheapest guys I know, $2800 is a LOT of money to me! Even $1 is a lot, it all adds up. You guys aren't taking these posts the way they are meant. This is a $5000 hull that you paid $2800 for. That's why you should be able to overlook a few flaws. Whether you can see it that way or not that's how it is. I'm in no way saying it should be normal to get a new AM hull with flaws but to get the first batch of hulls with introductory pricing it should be a little more expected. Tony has addressed most of the issues and if his Gen2 hulls have flaws then that will reflect on his standard of quality. I have a Gen2 on order and I will definitely post up a review and build thread when I receive mine. I have to say Tony has been great to deal with so far so its too bad you don't feel the same way (I'm not blaming you). I also havent received my hull so that could change quickly upon delivery. I have a ski to ride right now so I'm not rushing him, I'd rather have quality than a quick turn around time and I also placed my order before he made the Gen2 molds so he is obviously trying to make sure to take care of the quality of his product. I feel the same way about hard earned money and I am not Tonys best friend so my views are non bias and I will tell it how it is, I just think so many people are so quick to jump on the negative train when almost all other hull companies have had growing pains in the beginning. Most bashing is done by people who have no idea what the full story is. Keyboard cowboys

 

[Poizen]

2800 was without the extras

add them up it soon becomes the full retail

 

[Twinturbostang]

2800 was without the extras

add them up it soon becomes the full retail

What extras? and whats full retail? How can you make a statement like this?

I just came in on the last page here so I'm a little lost. But i don't see where you paid $8,000 to $10,000 for a fully ready to drop motor in aftermarket hull like you can with some of the aftermarket companies out there.

 

[Poizen]

What extras? and whats full retail? How can you make a statement like this?

lets see

bare hull 2800
adj foot holds 300$
turf 300$
decals 300$
extra ride plate 150$
pole bracket 150$

ok so that totals 4000$ of which I took just bare hull + pole bracket

 

[Twinturbostang]

bare hull 2800 ----------------- CHEAP AS HELL
adj foot holds 300$ ------------ YEP AND CHEAP
turf 300$ ----------------------- Guys charge as much as $1,000 to turf ski, you may want to look into other prices of this before you bitch
decals 300$ -------------------- Normal price, and installed for free it looks like
extra ride plate 150$ ---------- Rickter gets double that, and your choice for an extra plate
pole bracket 150$ ------------- CHEAP as hell

ok so that totals 4000$ wants the total on a xfs again?

 

[Twinturbostang]

It drives me nuts because when i was building a gen 2 BOB and nothing fit, it was a tank, the fit and finish was gross. The battery box didn't even sit flat. Everyone said i was nuts

 

[Poizen]

bare hull 2800 ----------------- CHEAP AS HELL
adj foot holds 300$ ------------ YEP AND CHEAP
turf 300$ ----------------------- Guys charge as much as $1,000 to turf ski, you may want to look into other prices of this before you bitch
decals 300$ -------------------- Normal price, and installed for free it looks like
extra ride plate 150$ ---------- Rickter gets double that, and your choice for an extra plate
pole bracket 150$ ------------- CHEAP as hell

ok so that totals 4000$ wants the total on a xfs again?

I was not bitching about prices at all have you seen me bitch about prices?


I don't really care what a xfs costs I care that the pump shoe didn't line up and he is blaming me for his mistakes

 

[Poizen]

everyone keeps making it about price

I care not for the price I paid or the special deal I supposedly got

I care that i'm missing parts, my order wasn't 100% to my specs and that the pump alignment was out

other than that i'm happy with the small nicks and chips here and there

those are my three issues

i'm not worried how Joe and Danny and whoever else's different hull had these and those types of problems

I paid money therefor I can bitch when things are not done correctly

 

[ProSouth]

What did a stunt hull cost a few years ago? $2300 in 3 pieces then you waited 6 months for the hood. You had to do all your inserts and pump shoe. If tony would sell me a glass one in 3 pieces without the pump shoe for less I'd probably have to jump. Now, I don't know you and Tony's discussions, and I don't know if your ski has foam, but I think this open conversation between you two should have gone to a PM. I know what you expected and I know it's hard to grasp, but people spend a TON of time on pump shoes just line twinturbo said, on rickterd, bobs, freaks, etc. I paid $4000 for my used carbon bob, everything actually aligns great, but I've broken it 3 times. Diff manufacturers are going to have weak and strong points. Unfortunately this is the standard in our market. I ain't trying to diss on you, or start anything. I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying being called a liar was good business ethics, BUT this is the aftermarket jetski world. It could have happened with quite a few different builders. Good luck dude, looks great.

 

[swapmeet]

bare hull 2800 ----------------- CHEAP AS HELL
adj foot holds 300$ ------------ YEP AND CHEAP
turf 300$ ----------------------- Guys charge as much as $1,000 to turf ski, you may want to look into other prices of this before you bitch
decals 300$ -------------------- Normal price, and installed for free it looks like
extra ride plate 150$ ---------- Rickter gets double that, and your choice for an extra plate
pole bracket 150$ ------------- CHEAP as hell

ok so that totals 4000$ wants the total on a xfs again?

Since you came into the thread late, I can see why you're confused. I'll explain what I have read... and what I think Poizen is saying...

He didn't order/ ask for any of the above except the pole bracket. So he ordered/bought the bare hull for 2800 and got the pole bracket, thats it.
He didn't get a 4k hull for $2800, he got a $2800 hull for $2800... and it has issues. Some I think he's well within his right to complain about.

But the bigger issue IMO is the sellers response. Openly accusing the buyer of intentionally altering the ski in order to complain? Really? But even more... not saying "Hey man, i'm sorry you're not happy with it. The pump shoe doesn't look right to me either, I swear we had it straight but clearly it isn't." etc etc.... OR something... Just have some humility... We're all human, and from the discussions i've had with Mical, all he wants is the seller to acknowledge that the ski isn't right, not point the finger at him and accusing him.



Man I love winter on the X.

 

[Poizen]

Robin your response is right on the money