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Kennay

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Newsflash... ITS A DAMN INTERNET FORUM. Unless you are willing to permaban people who constantly start :):):):), nothing is going to ever change. This isn't life, it's the damn internet. You people put way too much thought into this.
 
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Matt_E

steals hub caps from cars
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I think it really comes down to the membership and moderators working together. If a moderator does something, the membership needs to back him up, not bitch him out. On the other hand, if a member tries to put someone in their place, they need to be backed up by other members and the moderators.

I'll use the For Sale section again as an example because I think it needs more attention. So (again) do we want to enforce the 'post a price' rule or delete the rule? Rules are rules are they not? Does it apply to some but not others?

It really comes down to enforcement. We agree on rules and then leave them up to the mods to enforce them. If the mods don't enforce them, what's the point? (Maybe mod anonymity would help this out?)

Alright, I just posted the "Price listing" rule in two sales threads. It's bound to piss the poster off, so let's see where it goes.
 

Matt_E

steals hub caps from cars
Site Supporter
Location
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Just my opinion:

Here is mine,let anyone who wishes to do so mod this place for one month,not a real mod per say but but a jr mod if you will,able to move posts ,temp delete posts,temp lockdown threads etc.

If they do a good job then you may consider them for mod status at some point,if they suck well they don't get long to do so.That gives those who give a damn a chance to make a difference,those who don't give a damn don't give a damn and will continue what they have been doing all along.

Cleaning up after the bad mods would take time and effort, and has real big potential to really screw the pooch with members.
Just look at me. :biggrin:


This place didn't get like this overnight,it won't correct itself overnight either.

It's been like this from the beginning and hasn't changed since. The offenders and offenses change slightly, that's it.
 

kraqus

Site Supporter
Newsflash... ITS A DAMN INTERNET FORUM. Unless you are willing to permaban people who constantly start :):):):), nothing is going to ever change. This isn't life, it's the damn internet. You people put way too much thought into this.

With all due respect.....

I think people put a lot of thought into this because is a DAMN GOOD internet forum.....I dig when members take this site serious. This is OUR virtual space to communicate and exchange information.....and VERY valuable information. Where else will you meet people from all over the world and talk about technical stuff regarding our boats?

I see that you have 3K plus postings since 2007, that averages 4.1 posts.... a DAY !!! I think this site is very much a part of your life if you are investing that kind of time on a daily basis.

Why not take it more seriously?



Benny
 

Kennay

Squarenose for the _____
Location
Myrtle Beach, SC
With all due respect.....

I think people put a lot of thought into this because is a DAMN GOOD internet forum.....I dig when members take this site serious. This is OUR virtual space to communicate and exchange information.....and VERY valuable information. Where else will you meet people from all over the world and talk about technical stuff regarding our boats?

I see that you have 3K plus postings since 2007, that averages 4.1 posts.... a DAY !!! I think this site is very much a part of your life if you are investing that kind of time on a daily basis.

Why not take it more seriously?



Benny

Because a simple change here and there isn't going to help anything. You need to get rid of the trouble makers. Who cares if the site loses some experienced people. Others will take their place. It's not rocket science, and this isn't the only forum I have been apart of that tries to make it perfect. It just isn't going to happen. Been there.
 

Cannibal

Tasty Human
Location
Summit Lake, WA
Newsflash... ITS A GOD DAMN INTERNET FORUM. Unless you are willing to permaban people who constantly start :):):):), nothing is going to ever change. This isn't life, it's the damn internet. You people put way too much thought into this.

Let's just remove all of the rules then. Most of us are civilized people and the way people treat one another on here is way different than they'd tread people in person. There's always going to be people in life that live and breath drama and if they can't argue about something, they have no reason to be here (and that's a good thing). Put an end to their bitching and it ruins their fun.

Maybe they need to hand out those "strikes" a little more freely???

Alright, I just posted the "Price listing" rule in two sales threads. It's bound to piss the poster off, so let's see where it goes.

Well, nobody likes to make an offer. Too many times I've seen "make and offer" and someone comes on and says $200. Then next post is someone saying that's an insult, yada, yada, yada...

I'm just using it as an example. I could care less if you guys want to delete the rule, but it's there. Some people probably don't know about it, and others just plain ignore it because nobody does anything about it.

IMHO, whenever I read "make an offer" or "best offer", I think the poster is hoping some fool will come along and offer him more than he thinks it's worth. I've posted stuff that I thought was a reasonable price just to find that 5 people want it in a few hours. I could have asked more, or just put "make and offer" on there and got more, but at the time I posted, I was happy to get what I wanted.
 
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SuperJETT

So long and thanks for all the fish
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Because a simple change here and there isn't going to help anything. You need to get rid of the trouble makers. Who cares if the site loses some experienced people. Others will take their place. It's not rocket science, and this isn't the only forum I have been apart of that tries to make it perfect. It just isn't going to happen. Been there.

Would you believe we've had complaints about you? Should you be banned?

Where is the line? Who are the trouble makers? Who makes the list?
 

Kennay

Squarenose for the _____
Location
Myrtle Beach, SC
Would you believe we've had complaints about you? Should you be banned?

Where is the line? Who are the trouble makers? Who makes the list?

Sure. I never claimed I was perfect. I have differing opinions with some people on this site and that is fine. I am not usually the one who initiates personnal attacks, but I tend to roll on with them once they start. I'll take my banning like a man.

How many complaints have you had against you? Nobody s perfect.

A trouble maker to me is someone who is constantly telling the mods/ admins to F off. If they don't like it that much, then they need to be the hell up out of here.

Have I ever told you or Harrison to piss off?
 

Matt_E

steals hub caps from cars
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Maybe they need to hand out those "strikes" a little more freely???

People get all sorts of cranky about infractions. See WFO's signature.


Well, nobody likes to make an offer. Too many times I've seen "make and offer" and someone comes on and says $200. Then next post is someone saying that's an insult, yada, yada, yada...

I'm just using it as an example. I could care less if you guys want to delete the rule, but it's there. Some people probably don't know about it, and others just plain ignore it because nobody does anything about it.

IMHO, whenever I read "make an offer" or "best offer", I think the poster is hoping some fool will come along and offer him more than he thinks it's worth. I've posted stuff that I thought was a reasonable price just to find that 5 people want it in a few hours. I could have asked more, or just put "make and offer" on there and got more, but at the time I posted, I was happy to get what I wanted.

I think the rule about having to list a price is good. I'll go enforce it for a couple of weeks and see how it plays out.
 

McDog

Other Administrator
Staff member
Location
South Florida
I've posted "make me an offer" before because I have no clue what it's worth and I'm hoping someone else does. I'm not against the rule though.
 

SuperJETT

So long and thanks for all the fish
Location
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How many complaints have you had against you? Nobody s perfect.

That was my point, the number of people who have had complaints against them is pretty high, at least 3. :Banane13:

Regardless, one other comment and I'm done: if it weren't for someone taking this place serious, it wouldn't be here for you to say we shouldn't take it so serious. Seriously.
 

Kennay

Squarenose for the _____
Location
Myrtle Beach, SC
Regardless, one other comment and I'm done: if it weren't for someone taking this place serious, it wouldn't be here for you to say we shouldn't take it so serious. Seriously.

Look, you can take it however you want. You can try to be dramatic with me if you want, or drag it out more for whatever reason. The only way to get what you and Harrison want is to start banning who the hell ever you think needs to me banned. Hell, if you think I start too much trouble, pull the trigger. It's the only way you aren't going to have people around here starting crap.
 

SuperJETT

So long and thanks for all the fish
Location
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Look, you can take it however you want. You can try to be dramatic with me if you want, or drag it out more for whatever reason. The only way to get what you and Harrison want is to start banning who the hell ever you think needs to me banned. Hell, if you think I start too much trouble, pull the trigger. It's the only way you aren't going to have people around here starting crap.

We didn't start this thread...I'm actually ok with how things are right now.
 

SuperJETT

So long and thanks for all the fish
Location
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Me too.

And what is that in your avatar.... looks freaking delicious. Giant calzone? That thing must have cost a fortune :laugh2:

$14 calzone in Gatlinburg, and it was definitely delicious, had several different cheeses inside plus pepperoni and marinara to dip in.
 

tom21

havin fun
Location
clearwater FL
Terry, that's the unfortunate reality of internet message boards.
Real experts or 14 year old punks, everybody has a screen name, and the reader has no way to distinguish facts from bull. I personally cannot think of a way to stop that.
Can you?

sure they do. it takes a little time to get the lay of the land, but after a short time you get to know who knows what and who is full of bs. 212 x2??

It only takes a second to look up previous threads started by and post from and read up on them. after a few threads its easy to tell if someone is new,average joe, or pretty knowledgeable guy.

Terry, I know where you are coming from. you can lead a horse to water my friend. after that its on them. I have posted once or twice with the exact answer asked for and been brushed off and it ticked me off. why ask if you don't listen? If you don't like the answer too fricken bad! the truth is the truth and no amount of bs is gonna make a rusty crank not rusty!( just an example- not related to anything) but you know what? I know better and they don't sometimes you just have to have to attend a few classes at the school of hard knocks to get some sense. might even open your eyes to who really knows how much about what.

I think the mods to a great job. Really thanks guys. You stop the bs when it reaches critical and let everything else run its course. you can't be everywhere all the time. There are a few members I can't stand and I do my best to stay away from them because the temptation is sometimes overwhelming to tell them what a tool they are. it does no good and just ends with me being more pissed especially at myself for thinking I let myself sink down to their idiot level to try and what? win an argument with an idiot? how does one do that exactly? you cannot argue with a person who is not playing with a full deck. well you can but its like running in circles- you get nowhere fast.

I like Pete but I think he is neurotic. I saw no attacks but he did. even if everyone ganged up and started to tell him how they felt- why should he care? it changes nothing as far as his life is concerned. its just an opinion and people will always have them. He let himself sink down- way down and now we are without the good things he brings to the site. on the same token its not fair that the rest of the world(or our world) have to tiptoe around him for fear that something we might say will set him off.

maybe some of you are like me and search for info, read the new posts for something interesting or usefull that I don't know and post up questions when stuck or search failed to be useful. but I think some tend to look for drama. thats fine but if it bothers you that people fight on a thread- leave that thread. sure its easy to take sides and the stronger you feel then all the more reason to leave. cause in the end what has ever changed because of a fight on the net?

some drama is very important- most waterdog threads for example. yes :deadhorse: I know. but it does make you aware of what you are getting into. and who would believe you if all those threads were deleted and just replaced with jett posting a simple paragraph summarizing it all?

ignore the bad, don't become part of the problem. help out those you can and use search and the golden rule.:fing02:
 
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