- Location
- Amherst NH
I havent seen anyone demand #'s .
Why don't I ever see dyno's?
- Thread starter bored&stroked
- Start date
masterblaster
X-H2
lol me either,I just saw bait and switch tactic about motors get turned into a multi port injected pipe thread. I find it more funny the paid tuner isnt falling over backards trying to get some factual #s posted on a pipe thats working as well as this one is said to be,regardless of whats posted here. all the protagonist followers here have the same motor in common,not surprised
Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
Curious, What motor are you running now?
masterblaster
X-H2
propagated by yet another same "team". Knew you couldnt resist this "useless" thread very long. Point could have stayed positive easily ,but here we go...buckle up..
Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
LOL. I just asked you a simple question.
masterblaster
X-H2
while I was posting to the prev neg post, You know the 964 motor im running,whats that got to do with the price of tea in china or this thread? whats your neg spin on it?
Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
Actually I dont know what your running.
- Location
- Charlotte NC
I have a couple questions. #1 If you hate tpe so much why are you running one of their motors? #2 If you hate tpe so much why are you still representing them in your signature?
masterblaster
X-H2
BK...bs
jo..hate? no thats not me. but like how you filled in where bk was gonna go. I think tpe is good motor,not so much the chronies.. Request for a fact and get back.. drink the cool aid or stand in front of the tpe firing line... tpe was all about budget,that impressed me initially,now Et has taken it a step further and priced a very nice motor even more aggressive. id switch if i had the time right now.
jo..hate? no thats not me. but like how you filled in where bk was gonna go. I think tpe is good motor,not so much the chronies.. Request for a fact and get back.. drink the cool aid or stand in front of the tpe firing line... tpe was all about budget,that impressed me initially,now Et has taken it a step further and priced a very nice motor even more aggressive. id switch if i had the time right now.
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Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
I just like how easy your get all worked up........ Gotcha.
masterblaster
X-H2
its raining and im amused how you follow these posts around with such bias? we know your the stress bucket here,banning,disencouraging ip's of anyone that doesnt fit your agenda.its all over fb where they dare expose u. relax bud let it go. Guys just want some facts and less hype on some key products in alot of our setups.
swapmeet
Brotastic
- Location
- Arlington TX
SO, just to attempt to steer this back on track.
Can we not get data on 61x 62t'
Bpipe with Mod or Limiited chamber? (i.e. Exhaust that doesn't get anyones panties in a wad)
Dual 38's, Dual 44's
Enhancer
Head... 180 psi
Mild porting.
The motors will rip to max RPM in a second with no resistance, but I can't believe that there isn't a basic dyno that provides more load to add a little more time record a torque curve. How did Factory Pipe get the numbers posted above?
Can we not get data on 61x 62t'
Bpipe with Mod or Limiited chamber? (i.e. Exhaust that doesn't get anyones panties in a wad)
Dual 38's, Dual 44's
Enhancer
Head... 180 psi
Mild porting.
The motors will rip to max RPM in a second with no resistance, but I can't believe that there isn't a basic dyno that provides more load to add a little more time record a torque curve. How did Factory Pipe get the numbers posted above?
Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
Yup, I got an bias and an agenda. I run a Factory Mod Chamber with a 61X cylinder ported by TLR. Only person I have discouraged was your IP Addy. Do I like what Tim is doing? Sure, he is the only person building new pipes. This is a plus for our little hobby. Am I going to be running one of his pipes? Not on a 735 I am not and I do not see a larger motor in my future. Again, No bias, nothing to gain.
Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
We are assuming those are accurate numbers. Do you know where those charts were published. In there full and sometimes 2 page ads in Splash, Watercraft World, Personal Watercraft Illistrated and Jetsport.......... Marketing Honestly. I will admit, MB knows more about engine stuff that I do. I am not an expert. A good bit of what Tim posted goes right over my head. But I also understand some of what he is saying that hooking a motor up to a dyno does not give the same output as a ski on the water. That makes perfect sense. Real World Conditions. It also makes sense about how our situation is different than 4 wheelers, sleds, bikes and cars. There are different ways that they can take the readings and get the info.
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
No dog in this fight. But as you know a pipe is constantly changing temp as the engine runs. Heat effects the speed of the gases and how a pipe performs. The point that is trying to be made is the pipe on a dyno will have more time to gather heat and will not be a correct representation of the curve.
swapmeet
Brotastic
- Location
- Arlington TX
Two points to make here. Perhaps my last, lets hope so.
1. TNT is no doubt 'the smartest guy in the room' concerning motors. But he's purposely talking over our heads to prove that fact. Furthermore, he can't stick to the subject. He keeps making this about his product when nobody else is (or cares.) How is it that you can be so smart but not stick to the point? Because marketing, thats why.
2. I had a lightbulb moment just now. And maybe, just maybe this will clear up everyone elses confusion.
The pitch of the prop creates load. Variable prop pitch means variable load at varying RPMs. If your motor is loaded too much (vs Real World) it'll never get "on the pipe" so the info you get will be inaccurate compared to seat of the pants.
I imagine that there are no programmable dynomometers that can simulate a variable load. I.E. a 9/15 prop vs a 14/21.
So if I had my motor tuned to run a 9/15 and I throw a 14/21 on, the change in load will effect the performance of the motor. In effect, supporting the "real world" argument.
So now that i've maybe convinced myself of that, I still think there is an average amount of load created by a 144 pump that has a 9/15 impeller. And that set average load or resistance should be something you can dial into a dyno, even if its a static amount and get measurable results. And thus see a change in results when I try out X product or Y product, port job, or timing curve.
So much for my lightbulb.
masterblaster
X-H2
how many have you banned ?I have no doubt others have been ip jacked,just not realizing it with connectivity. Now factory pipe made up their dyno numbers and torque curves comparing against their own pipes? Tim is deff not the only one making new pipes, he has posted plenty of dyno info that was relevant previously ? why do those #s mean anything then?
We have pretty good tech info in this thread,and some might even have learned something,A select few derailed it with neg bs for obvious reasons. Can we go positive with it ?
snowxr
V watch your daughters V
- Location
- Waterford, MI
Ugh, my head hurts. How do I get a refund on the last twelve pages?
masterblaster
X-H2
yes just please ignore from now on,unless we can get something positive out of it,I dont post negative at all,even when I should. I do not break the rules of the forum at all,But somehow it still gets hot and nasty as satans toe nails in here from the "team" if you follow a complement with a request for something other than more hype.