DIY Total loss or MSD TL upgrade box 270USD?

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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
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gold coast
senor said:
Ok let's stop for a minute. I did not say anything about needing to varify the timing advance every 1 degree. You clearly didn't understand my point. I was referring to the timing marks that were needed to be able to verify the advance curve you programmed. They would replace the timing tape strips or marks like found on most aftermarket flywheels. I'm sure your coupler doesn't have these. That's my point about those marks.Also I never said your program was wrong only pointed out that you didn't verify the actual curve after the program. With a light ,not on the screen. I actually do have experience with these units so don't think you are the only one that knows these. I clearly ruffled your feathers and you jumped too quick to react. I wish you weren't half the world away and we could have this conversation in person. Much easier to communicate face to face. My whole reason behind wanting to know the Real static number is because if it is in fact that high I was going to make a plate for the pickup kinda like the kawi one only retarded to get the static number lower. As per the zeel tech the advance becomes more unstable with the higher static. Or if it was say less than 30 I would make the plate advance the static timing so we can see more than 30 degree advance on our curves. That being said,can you tell me the number you came up with ? And once all my parts show up I will again verify that number for myself be assured. Hopefully our numbers are the same. : ) one last note. The box with the 2 power jet circuits can be used to turn on a ecwi for anyone wanting to use water injection either at the pipe or at the stinger or both at the same time. Good Day Mate
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If your going to tell me im only doing half a job then your going to get a reaction, what did you expect. But lets say i got it wrong and leave it at that. I do not think I am the only person who has played with these at all, Im just offering up my experience. As far as i am concerned its an open source and every one stands to gain from it. Lets make this thing the cheapest and most reliable total loss out there
Yes your right about using it to turn on water injection, While i dont use water injection i was using it to turn on my fuel pump and my bilge pump its very versatile on my triple yamaha, This model ignition does not come with those functions and its plug and play but the igniton in my world finials 550 i am building has all those functions in it of which i am using some.
We can argure all day about what is the wrong and the right way to set up an ignition this has worked fine for me over the years i have been doing it.
The flywheel and pickup placement determines the static not me. I only set it to what yamaha chose to set it to. I have had a timing light on the stator and had no issues with fluctaion. If i was reving to 14000 this may be an issue but not that the 8000 we rev to.
Yes i have found it is 56 degrees static, the kawasaki is 50 degrees from memory.
Please make a plate up and show me the difference i am genuinely interested to see, I have never had an issue with it. I will however send borut a message and ask if its a problem at the lower rpm we pull, He is very responsive on face book
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
Ok I just spoke to borut regarding the higher static angle and here is the result
" Hi borut. There seems to be some confusion about the static angle being so large on the ignitions For the yamaha. Your paper work says that it can make for unstable timing. Is this an issue in an engine that is only reving to 8000 rpm max. Thanks "

Hi Jared With large static angle ignition advance is unstabe to about 3k-4krpm. With wasted spark ignition like on Yamaha, ignition unstability is much lower necause cdi getting pulse from pickup twice per revolution. At starting speeds ignition advance is defined mechanical by trailing edge of the trigger lobe. Maybe I should rewrite, or remove confusing part...

Thanks Borut fine I understand but yeah it’s a little confusing for some people. Thanks for making that clear. Because it’s getting two pulses per revolution it would be about the same accuracy as a 28 degree lump as it’s seeing a reference point twice per revolution

To which I got the thumbs up signal.

I guess that clears up any confusion. I guess you could say it probably more accurate than a single lump system with say 34 degrees static
 
alex_hockey

alex_hockey

Location
Hamilton,
After wax told me the lump was 56 degrees i verified this with a timing light as well while running a flat curve when first setting up my ignition. I had no issues throughout the rpm range that I run. I think this will be my 3rd year running this setup on 2 machine one tl one charging with no isses yet.
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
alex_hockey said:
After wax told me the lump was 56 degrees i verified this with a timing light as well while running a flat curve when first setting up my ignition. I had no issues throughout the rpm range that I run. I think this will be my 3rd year running this setup on 2 machine one tl one charging with no isses yet.
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Its such a simple setup, that works so well
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
Quinc said:
How does the ATP Epic pick up the timing with the 62T and 61x electronics?
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MY thoughts on this are. Because its based on a analogue system there is not the base timing available between the pickup and tdc and so they hold the igntion for 160 degrees to get the advance they need to get a good curve. This is why we get back fires and cranks destroyed with some of the brands out there. in that 160 degree the rpm is changed to much and in accuracy is coming in because the cdi reads the lump and works out degrees in millieseconds. in that short time the rpm is changed and so the cranks shaft degrees is out for the given time. This is why zeel tronic talk about the large lump. This is not so much of an issue on a wasted spark as the cdi is
getting an update every 180 degrees
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
alex_hockey said:
Yet everyones engine builder won't let them see the light!
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Well you have to think about it from an engines builders point of view. Its open source and as such its hard to make a profit from. You can buy the front cover your self and the cdi is very reasonably priced. There is better profit in selling an msd
 
Wetbuffalo

Wetbuffalo

Location
New York
Okay so I have a question for everyone. So because it’s seeing a lump every 180 degrease does that mean that the cdi believes the motor is turning 2 times as fast. Like if I wanted to set a rev limit of 7,000 I would need to program it in as 14,000?
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
Wetbuffalo said:
Okay so I have a question for everyone. So because it’s seeing a lump every 180 degrease does that mean that the cdi believes the motor is turning 2 times as fast. Like if I wanted to set a rev limit of 7,000 I would need to program it in as 14,000?
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No there is a correction in the software for this. It's an option in the software
 
senor

senor

Quinc said:
How does the ATP Epic pick up the timing with the 62T and 61x electronics?
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Ac pulser coil. If anyone here in the states is looking for the 760 unit contact Anthony @ 617-999-6070. Has them in stock. No wait. Good price. Can preprogram any curve you want or preset curve.
 
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