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- Charlotte, NC
well damn haha
DIY Total loss or MSD TL upgrade box 270USD?
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- Rentz, GA
What generation module are we discussing? I tested one of the first gen models back to back with a stock setup and forgot to swap the flywheels and found that the OEM wouldn’t fire right. I can’t remember the specifics though.
Now, in newer setups, a change has been made that I am not fully read up on. IIRC, it just means you don’t have to grind off the third lump anymore.?.?.?
You wouldn’t think that’s a big deal but if simplifies the conversion and lets you swap back to a stock CDI, that’s not a bad option to have.
Now, in newer setups, a change has been made that I am not fully read up on. IIRC, it just means you don’t have to grind off the third lump anymore.?.?.?
You wouldn’t think that’s a big deal but if simplifies the conversion and lets you swap back to a stock CDI, that’s not a bad option to have.
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- Charlotte, NC
yeah i agree the newer zeel a02t model would be ideal because you dont have to modify the flywheel. so if it fails, you could just put the oem cdi back in without having to swap everything else.
OCD Solutions
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Here's the result from running without the 3rd lump
I swear, Quinc has a better memory of what I've posted than I do, lol.
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waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
I ran it, it will run fine, I felt like it moved my rev limiter up with the 3rd lump missing. Im not sure if it runs the advanced map of the retarded map however
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
maybe for sheets and giggles ill try it out since its a simple plug in haha
Jcary85
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- Glenmoore pa
hey guys - check my logic real quick. I was helping a local rider diagnose an issue with his ski running like crap. Checked his zeel curve and it looked like it was out of the batch that was never programmed - 15 degrees straight across and 40 degree static angle. So, I fixed it, but, what timing would the motor have seen? I THINK it would be equivalent to 31 degrees straight across but I might have that backwards.
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
Yup spot on
its 56 degrees, so if you want 30 degrees it will hold for 26 degrees before it releases the spark
if you get your static angle short say 50 degrees then it will only hold it for 20 degrees
So if you set the static wrong then you can advance the timing to a point where you need a new engine
Jcary85
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- Glenmoore pa
Thanks for confirming guys. Of course, now I’m wondering if this wasn’t his only issue. He was complaining of no bottom end on a 8mm stroker. Will have to wait for the ride report
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
Thats interesting. Whats the rest of the setup can we know ??
pipe carbs etc
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- Grand Rapids, MI
Totally agree. I'm not going to read through 64 pages to figure out what I need to do. Would love a summary of what is needed and what is working the best as a general rule. If such a thing exists..........Should probably start a new thread in the Tech section with the setup info etc and have Zeeltronics in the title.
Agree something in the tech talk now that the zeel is working on Yamaha Kawasaki Seadoo and Polaris.
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
This is the very same reason why not to go total loss. the ski actually gets a better spark with a charging system
speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
Lithium batteries don’t taper off, though
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
Yeah I agree with that. Personally a little scared of them but your right
speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
Been using them maybe 8 years. Experienced some crappy ones, but never anything dangerous.
- Location
- England
Hi guys
I never registered here before but this thread made me think I better share
I installed a zeel 01s on my 650x2 a few years ago now, was probably the first in uk and maybe world, certainly wasn’t many doing it then and borut had no info.
I spoke to wax who was super helpful with the basic principles but again had no info for kawi
so I used the diagrams in the manual (RTFM!) to start working out my static angle
I printed out a degree wheel and eyeballed the stator cover to measure the pickup to tdc, I’m sorry I can’t remember the numbers now. Also I measured the start of the pickup band to tdc, which was something in the 90s from memory. Subtracted the two and got 46, which made me think ok so that means when the band first passes the pickup, the motor is at 46° BTDC.
MAKES SENSE SO FAR
measured a few more times and yep good to go
I installed the system and got a spark and sure enough she fired up.
wax had told me about setting the 10° curve but when I cranked my motor over I got 52° on my timing light... WTF?!
I Spoke to wax again, he was on his way to work lol being down under, and it clicked to him that 52 = 13x4
OF COURSE
a Kawi flywheel band starts at “46°” and ends at 13, which is the timing the motor idles and runs at UNTIL the first timing point on curve
and my timing light was reading 4x because it was a 2 stroke wasted spark motor, so 4 sparks per revolution!
anyway so we are in business right?
fired it up again and as soon as it was over 1500 rpm it sat at about 11° timing (well, 44/4 = 11) so I adjusted the static angle to 47° and it was all good
Been all good for a few years and installed a few other systems running same too. Not quite sure where the 56° measurement comes from, I can’t see those numbers anywhere.
as for k1100, did you know you can use a 750 flywheel cover on an 1100?
I don’t but I believe people do because it gives more clearance.
if so, the pickup location must be the same angle to tdc. I just need to measure up an 1100 flywheel and I’ll be able to work out the static angle to see.
I never registered here before but this thread made me think I better share
I installed a zeel 01s on my 650x2 a few years ago now, was probably the first in uk and maybe world, certainly wasn’t many doing it then and borut had no info.
I spoke to wax who was super helpful with the basic principles but again had no info for kawi
so I used the diagrams in the manual (RTFM!) to start working out my static angle
I printed out a degree wheel and eyeballed the stator cover to measure the pickup to tdc, I’m sorry I can’t remember the numbers now. Also I measured the start of the pickup band to tdc, which was something in the 90s from memory. Subtracted the two and got 46, which made me think ok so that means when the band first passes the pickup, the motor is at 46° BTDC.
MAKES SENSE SO FAR
measured a few more times and yep good to go
I installed the system and got a spark and sure enough she fired up.
wax had told me about setting the 10° curve but when I cranked my motor over I got 52° on my timing light... WTF?!
I Spoke to wax again, he was on his way to work lol being down under, and it clicked to him that 52 = 13x4
OF COURSE
a Kawi flywheel band starts at “46°” and ends at 13, which is the timing the motor idles and runs at UNTIL the first timing point on curve
and my timing light was reading 4x because it was a 2 stroke wasted spark motor, so 4 sparks per revolution!
anyway so we are in business right?
fired it up again and as soon as it was over 1500 rpm it sat at about 11° timing (well, 44/4 = 11) so I adjusted the static angle to 47° and it was all good
Been all good for a few years and installed a few other systems running same too. Not quite sure where the 56° measurement comes from, I can’t see those numbers anywhere.
as for k1100, did you know you can use a 750 flywheel cover on an 1100?
I don’t but I believe people do because it gives more clearance.
if so, the pickup location must be the same angle to tdc. I just need to measure up an 1100 flywheel and I’ll be able to work out the static angle to see.