Hand guns

[Matt_E]

All guns are tested from the factory to shoot 5 rounds of loads that are 3 times the max load advertised. would I do this? no. +P is the highest Ill go.

I am sorry - I find it highly incredible that factory guns are tested at 3x max load. depending on the round, standard pressures are 10,000 -50,000 psi. Those guns are built for those pressures. You're talking about overbuilding them to take up to 150,000 psi and then selling those guns.
It's metallurgical nonsense. Barrels will split, locking lugs blow off, bolts ejected, actions explode.
Most kabooms from reloading happen when people mix up powders. Put fast burning pistol powder into a rifle cartridge, bam. Those pressures probably spike to 200-300% normal. Another screw up are squibs and then a normal round.

Where did you pick this up? Do you by chance have a credible source for this?
I'll also point out that the gun industry is largely unregulated and pays its engineers extremely poorly.

Every single gun manufacturer out there voids their warranty if and when hand loads are ever used. Their guns are warrantied only with factory SAAMI spec loads and for good reason.

 

[OCD Solutions]

Most firearms come with disclaimers regarding NATO rounds as well. How much hotter are they over standard rounds? I doubt more than 20%. :dunno:

 

[Matt_E]

Most firearms come with disclaimers regarding NATO rounds as well. How much hotter are they over standard rounds? I doubt more than 20%. :dunno:

The NATO 5.56 has slightly higher chamber pressure specs compared to the US .223 (62,000 vs 55,000 psi) but the test rigs also measure pressure in differing locations.
The NATO case is thicker, consequently has less case volume and resulting higher pressure even if both cases were loaded the same. Bullet lead is longer as well.

 

[_evan]

I am sorry - I find it highly incredible that factory guns are tested at 3x max load. depending on the round, standard pressures are 10,000 -50,000 psi. Those guns are built for those pressures. You're talking about overbuilding them to take up to 150,000 psi and then selling those guns.
It's metallurgical nonsense. Barrels will split, locking lugs blow off, bolts ejected, actions explode.
Most kabooms from reloading happen when people mix up powders. Put fast burning pistol powder into a rifle cartridge, bam. Those pressures probably spike to 200-300% normal. Another screw up are squibs and then a normal round.

Where did you pick this up? Do you by chance have a credible source for this?
I'll also point out that the gun industry is largely unregulated and pays its engineers extremely poorly.

Every single gun manufacturer out there voids their warranty if and when hand loads are ever used. Their guns are warrantied only with factory SAAMI spec loads and for good reason.

You are correct.

In the united states their is no such testing that has to be done to the gun to proof test it however all major manufacturers that I know of do this for liability Insurance.

I watched a video on Uberti revolvers and the announcer said they test them at 3x the normal load and proof them. This sounds incorrect now that I looked more into it.


for the UTI which is European the gun must be able to handle 25 or 30 percent above normal loading pressures to be proofed and sold. SAMMI which is what all American companies use I could not find percentage.

 

[Matt_E]

I think it'd be a very good thing if there were some unified testing standard for US manufactures.

 

[OCD Solutions]

For you guys who carry, what do you use and how do you conceal? I'm a t-shirt and jeans kind of guy and I figure I'll be doing way more showing than concealing.

I have seen the holster that goes in the small of the back and think that would be the best for me but what a PITA they all seem for getting in and out of the truck. For that a small clip on side holster would seem more practical.

 

[MCrider]

i just ordered a iwb/owb from statureman i hope to use that once i get my permit.

 

[Lumpy]

Get a texas holster thats what i use

 

[sxi steve]

I like the paddle holsters.

I used to carry a Ruger LC9 with a leather Galco paddle holster on my hip. I like my Glock 26 a lot better and carry that now with a Fobus paddle holster on that same hip.

I'm a t-shirt and jeans guy too. Yes there is a bit of a bulge on the hip but no one sees or knows..., use a shirt that is long enough to fully cover it. White t-shirts seem to show more than darker colors. Fall and winter are no issues.

When I get home, I pull it off (holster with gun) and toss it on the refrigerator with my keys.

 

[OCD Solutions]

I didn't plan to carry but have been giving it far more thought lately. Sitting in a movie theater the other day thinking how we were like fish in a barrel.

I have it in my head that people will freak out if they even see the hint of a gun though. I've even started watching for them and haven't spotted one yet. Either people aren't carrying or they conceal much better than I think.

 

[_evan]

I didn't plan to carry but have been giving it far more thought lately. Sitting in a movie theater the other day thinking how we were like fish in a barrel.

I have it in my head that people will freak out if they even see the hint of a gun though. I've even started watching for them and haven't spotted one yet. Either people aren't carrying or they conceal much better than I think.

I know a few ccw carriers and its pretty hard to see until they point it out. it easily looks like a cellphone in a pocket or your keys so people normally don't think twice about it especially if its a compact. In fact sometimes a cellphone is easier to spot then the gun they have.

Hopefully one day I will be able to have my ccw since CA has now banned open carry of handguns and long guns.

 

[sxi steve]

I know a few ccw carriers and its pretty hard to see until they point it out. it easily looks like a cellphone in a pocket or your keys so people normally don't think twice about it especially if its a compact. In fact sometimes a cellphone is easier to spot then the gun they have.

Hopefully one day I will be able to have my ccw since CA has now banned open carry of handguns and long guns.

Yes, true. In my experience, even with the slight bulge, no one knows or cares. I had to go through the same mental process. I wasn't going to carry without me being totally comfortable and practiced with my carry gun at the range. I carry 90% of the time now. Yes, the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

 

[Matt_E]

I used to conceal a full size 1911. With the right holster, it's possible. I used a iwb, can't recall the company. Some outfit in Idaho that was always back ordered 6 months.
For shorts days, I used a Ruger LCP in a pocket holster.

 

[MCrider]

I should have no issue hidding my 23 but i'v already considered a 26 for edc.

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[OCD Solutions]

I just ordered a compact IWB for my SR9 so I'll give it a try.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UNNFN8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00


I walked my gun out to the truck the other day and just wanted to keep it hidden from the neighbors so I jammed it in my waistband. That's so not comfortable.

That LC9 or any of the pocket guns would be a much easier gun to carry plus light enough to use an ankle holster. It's out of the way and just about always covered by a pant leg. In the summer I wear cargos with lots of pocket room.

 

[_evan]

I just ordered a compact IWB for my SR9 so I'll give it a try.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UNNFN8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00


I walked my gun out to the truck the other day and just wanted to keep it hidden from the neighbors so I jammed it in my waistband. That's so not comfortable.

That LC9 or any of the pocket guns would be a much easier gun to carry plus light enough to use an ankle holster. It's out of the way and just about always covered by a pant leg. In the summer I wear cargos with lots of pocket room.

I would use that same type of holster if I had a ccw. Not that I know anything but I heard you should always keep your gun in the same place and practice using it religiously so when the day comes that you will need it will be there and you will be comfortable with it.

My friends carry their guns 365 days a year because the one day you don't have it is going to be the day your going to wish you did.

 

[OCD Solutions]

You either have to carry one at all times or have a bunch of em stashed all over the house and in each vehicle. I really like the idea of having one in the vehicle at all times but I would have to have it hidden very well just in case of random searches at work or friendly neigborhood kids that routinely like to remind us not to forget to lock our vehicle doors at night. Holy would I like to catch those little ers one night and teach them a lesson of my own.

 

[Matt_E]

You ought to practice drawing from whatever ccw holster you buy. However, a lot of ranges do NOT want you doing that.

 

[Joker]

You ought to practice drawing from whatever ccw holster you buy. However, a lot of ranges do NOT want you doing that.

You can practice at home and dry fire. It's kinda dangerous to draw and fire if you haven't done it much before. Premature discharge would not feel too good depending on where that gun is pointed.

 

[MCrider]

Merry X-Mas!

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