MSD vs Atp flame total loss????

[junkyardj]

the shock does not come from bad wiring..... i mean you can get a shock from bad wiring in salt, but the finger zapping gets worse with throttle/rpms. this means the power is jumping from plug wires to the motor and going up the throttle cable. it can happen on any ignition. msd has alot of power so it happens easier. i got a hard on for what is the best.

i was just kidding about the zapping because of one of the comments about my poor wiring ) just wanted to see if there was any complaints with the flame zapping but on this site everyones stuff is the bomb so why ask i guess.....

there really isnt much to wire i dont see how you can have poor wiring really? maybe he meant exposed wires of the msd/relay?

 

[junkyardj]

yeah you are right, you cannot beat the msd super hot spark. do you think that most people run msd with an over rich mixture? you should run msd richer than atp because it can burn more fuel, but if you run either system over rich or lean your just dumb.

i just think most people have there stuff setup too rich or wrong(im not a expert on this but) when you bolt the MSD TL in the hott spark cleans up the poor jetting and people just think its more powerful/ the best, if you tune your stuff right and have a better curve i think you would be impressed with the results even a weaker spark could give you

i know some people that arnt runnning msd TL that have some Nasty lil boats its amazing the way proper jetting can make your fuel burn you'd almost say you dont need 3sparks just one.....

 

[junkyardj]

some might think this thread is pointless but i think we are spreading flame awareness lol

 

[steve-uk]

yeah you are right, you cannot beat the msd super hot spark. do you think that most people run msd with an over rich mixture? you should run msd richer than atp because it can burn more fuel, but if you run either system over rich or lean your just dumb.

how many times hotter is the spark of msd over a stock CDI?

 

[chriselmore_1]

I know the advent has 5 times hotter spark than normal cdi. It pulls directly from the battery and not the stator. I suspect msd tl is the same?

 

[Matt_E]

Every aftermarket ignition works that way. This is done to get consistent spark power throughout all RPM's. The stock ignition is a bit weak down low because the low RPM doesn't generate a lot of power. The faster the motor spins the flywheel past the stator, the better it gets. Powering directly off the battery avoids the issue altogether. You get consistent spark power at all RPMs.

 

[QJS]

I know the advent has 5 times hotter spark than normal cdi. It pulls directly from the battery and not the stator. I suspect msd tl is the same?

Any figures like that without giving the RPM are B/S. All total loss systems draw their current from the battery.
Chris.

 

[chriselmore_1]

man... Advent and a lightweight fw would be the ticket if more than 1 out of 5 worked... Big spark, alot of timeing, and charging system... I had 2 dead units alone last year...

 

[Matt_E]

man... Advent and a lightweight fw would be the ticket if more than 1 out of 5 worked... Big spark, alot of timeing, and charging system... I had 2 dead units alone last year...

Ummm..... EPIC + lw flywheel = win? :dunno:

 

[D-Roc]

some might think this thread is pointless but i think we are spreading flame awareness lol

and why it is cheaper.

 

[D-Roc]

how many times hotter is the spark of msd over a stock CDI?

30kv is msd coil output power. hotter spark is not my words, i can get hot or colder spark from different plugs i install.

 

[QJS]

Voltage and spark energy are two different things, you can easily get whatever voltage you need by changing the coil but this does not alter the spark energy. This is measured in Joules not volts.
Chris.

 

[D-Roc]

so what changes the spark energy?

 

[QJS]

The spark energy is determined in the ECU.
Chris.

 

[D-Roc]

thats right. the output of the msd coils is 30kv so if V=J (V is volts, J is energy) the 30kv = 30 j. Is it safe to say that if the output of oem coils is not 30kv or 30j then the input to the coil from the atp is not as high as the msd?

edit: changed the kj to joules so the formula makes a bit more sence.

 

[Matt_E]

30kv is msd coil output power. hotter spark is not my words, i can get hot or colder spark from different plugs i install.

Voltage on the plugs does not equal power.

 

[D-Roc]

energy (not volts) into the coils does though right?

 

[Matt_E]

Yes.
Energy is related to voltage, current, and duration.

 

[junkyardj]

how many times hotter is the spark of msd over a stock CDI?

30kv is msd coil output power. hotter spark is not my words, i can get hot or colder spark from different plugs i install.

come guys thats not what i ment about hot spark.... should i say spark energy?

im not sure what you mean about cheaper? pls explain what you mean? i guess you mean that you dont need to buy a msd brain anually or result to letting them sit on your furnace with the hopes of them working again or working enough to try and return them to MSD... tell me again why you have such a hardon for them? or is it that chris kicked your dog?

 

[QJS]

thats right. the output of the msd coils is 30kv so if V=J (V is volts, J is energy) the 30kv = 30 kj. Is it safe to say that if the output of oem coils is not 30kv or 30kj then the input from the atp is not as high as the msd?

You have this completely wrong....It would take God with a bolt of lightning to conjure up 30kj. :smile:
Chris.