MSD vs Atp flame total loss????

steve-uk

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D-Roc said:
and why it is cheaper.
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Jr Freestyle said:
msd is more available and cheaper so why would you want the atp if your more limited if it fails, plus what is replacement cost for a brain if it fails compared to msd ???
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this was the only reason price came up as it was thrown into the arena, personally the price to me isnt important, its making a fair comparison


D-Roc said:
i got a hard on for what is the best.
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which talking of fair comparisons how can you say which is best if you havent tried both?

d-roc i know you like saving ounces, i would have thought you would have been all over the flame, lighter flywheel, one less coil (less weight) lighter cdi.....
 
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haha. its okay that the atp does not have the spark energy the msd does. you can avoid saying anyway you want. the atp's price is cheaper than the msd. what is so hard to understand about that? you get less parts with the atp than with what you get in a msd. we are talking about two very different total loss systems here. if they are not the same one has to be superior. i am not saying which one is better for who but i am telling you the msd has more features than the atp. Steve if, if, if, you get a no spark this summer what will you do. i can check my blinking led in a few seconds.
 
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QJS said:
You have this completely wrong....It would take God with a bolt of lightning to conjure up 30kj. :smile:
Chris.
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that sounds like a job for doc brown.

i was trying to say that 12v is turned into spark energy and the output on the msd coils is "rated" at 30kv which is some sort of joules amount /spark energy . MattE said last time we where talking coils, that a coil is an amp and it take the power in and amps it out. hopefully along some 8.5mm wires with good low resistance. Your converting 12v and amping the amount out of your cdi, and then amping thru the oem coils, and then dividing it by 2, if msd does the same thing but thru better high power coils and not dividing. how is it not better? how?
 
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at no point have i said one is better than the other... just so we get that out there

i would not do that as i havent tried both

once i can do both back to back i would give my honest opinion on both

you like msd... we get it

would have expected that you would want to do the comparison yourself
 
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A coil is not an amp. And it will most certainly not increase spark energy. (it will actually very slightly decrease it through losses)
 
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Summit racing New MSD Yamaha p/n system is cheaper then a new flame sys.

D Roc send your flywheel down to FL.... You need the Lucas/msd edition fw, it's a work of art and very light!
 
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After my reads here, if and when I get a tl I will get the flame. As of now I like the convenience of charging and haven't smoked my enhancer yet lol. But I'd like some more braaap too.

On a side note. What kind of run time could I expect with a limited 701 set up? I know there's variables to be considered like batts, bilges etc. Hmm I run dual 500 rules, and will run a power source batt this season (don't know what one yet) So best and worst case what could I expect?

Thanks fellas!
 
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junkyardj said:
come guys thats not what i ment about hot spark.... should i say spark energy?

im not sure what you mean about cheaper? pls explain what you mean? i guess you mean that you dont need to buy a msd brain anually or result to letting them sit on your furnace with the hopes of them working again or working enough to try and return them to MSD... tell me again why you have such a hardon for them? or is it that chris kicked your dog?
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well a friend told me he did it to his msd and it worked so i tried it and it worked and then did not work, others have also tried it. one reason i think that the brains fail is from heat in the hull and then cooling off in a damp hull may suck in moisture. this is just theory. i put grease over any potential area that i think is possible for moisture to absorb in from the expanding and contracting. again, just theory. If i got my brain working, why would i pay to send it back so they could test it and tell me it works fine. think about what you type or what you heard about me. I wanted to send back my non-working brain using my one year warranty from my new one. this would be sneaky. it may or may not work, the stickers on the msd change over the years. i did not try it because i didn't want to mess with my one year warranty just in case i needed it.
 
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Aircraftsalz said:
Summit racing New MSD Yamaha p/n system is cheaper then a new flame sys.

D Roc send your flywheel down to FL.... You need the Lucas/msd edition fw, it's a work of art and very light!
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pictures of what the do? speed holes? i hope they do speed holes. seriously. i do like speed holes so let me know

does the summit racing system include the pickup plate?
 
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D-Roc said:
well a friend told me he did it to his msd and it worked so i tried it and it worked and then did not work, others have also tried it. one reason i think that the brains fail is from heat in the hull and then cooling off in a damp hull may suck in moisture. this is just theory. i put grease over any potential area that i think is possible for moisture to absorb in from the expanding and contracting. again, just theory. If i got my brain working, why would i pay to send it back so they could test it and tell me it works fine. think about what you type or what you heard about me. I wanted to send back my non-working brain using my one year warranty from my new one. this would be sneaky. it may or may not work, the stickers on the msd change over the years. i did not try it because i didn't want to mess with my one year warranty just in case i needed it.
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correct me if im wrong but wernt you the guy that posted his msd brain on the furnace? and wernt you the guy that posted that you were going to plug your msd brain into the light socket and return it to msd for a refund?

correct me if im wrong.......

GO MSD!!! were is that dang cheerleader icon at!!
 
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okay if you need me to correct you, i said if your going to send back your msd brain because you think it is the problem then stick it in the socket and make sure it is fried fried fried and not a coil or bad pickup. that way you don't go thru the hassle of getting the RMA number, packaging it and then shipping it and have the msd tech say. "hey it works". i would not actually put the wires in the wall socket, i would get shocked.

yes i am the guy that put his brain on the space heater and got it very hot. i tested it one last time and it worked so i kept it then when i tried it in a ski, it did not work anymore so i don't know what happens with these brains when they go. they just do. anything else?
 
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D-Roc said:
one reason i think that the brains fail is from heat in the hull and then cooling off in a damp hull may suck in moisture. this is just theory. i put grease over any potential area that i think is possible for moisture to absorb in from the expanding and contracting. again, just theory.
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another advantage of the flame - its in the nice dry oem e-box

D-Roc said:
I wanted to send back my non-working brain using my one year warranty from my new one. this would be sneaky. it may or may not work, the stickers on the msd change over the years. i did not try it because i didn't want to mess with my one year warranty just in case i needed it.
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if they are like ATP, each ATP EPIC and FLAME has a serial number and can be traced back to time of sale and origin
 
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