State of the industry - 2021

Sparkplug

Sparkplug

Location
Red Bluff CA
For sure design costs money. Especially when actually designing something. The problem is that practically everything on the market now, is copied from something else. It's the same pump and engine technology that has been around for 20 years. No new innovation has happened. Just marketing practices have changed. Now words like billet, custom, machining, are used to impress. Back in the day, your idea itself is what impressed.

Make one pump mold and program your cnc to clean it up. Not rocket science. Basic machine. Basic procedure. Basic materials.. You can alter small things and get the suckers to think its a whole new item. The only reason the cost is so high, is because they know you will pay it. The markup and profit on machining like that is insane. I worked in a shop that did it got years. The veil doesn't work on me.

But if you want the bling, your gonna pay. The guys making the stuff know that. They will tout things like "look who wins champinoships" well when there are only 2 or 3 choices of item, and 1 or 2 are dominating the availability, its a no Brainer who's going to have what.

Again, the biggest and craziest I've seen a stand up jet ski go.was 10 years ago. Before any of this bling crap that just gets more expensive and out of reach every season.

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Sparkplug

Sparkplug

Location
Red Bluff CA
You said it. Not me. If you have a cnc and its not making you at least 50 dollars a hour, for each hour your in the shop. Your definitely doing something wrong. Or your pursuing something. Like a mold. Or designing something. But once you had it. Its yours forever. Click the button and monitor the feeds. Thats it.

Your market is so small. Thats why you don't cater to the little guy. You'd go broke. You have to market to the niche guy, who's used to spending bucks to get results. He doesn't care about cost. Thats why the big guys don't even both answering calls from.the small guys.

Fwiw I had a oem 155 behind my 1100. With a prop that was behind a 701. Swapped a well known brand pump in, at the river. In under 15 minutes. Seat of the pants test told me I wasted almost 4k on a bling pump. But it sure is pretty and fit well. Had a few guys tell me something must be wrong. Can't find anything. Or anyone who has done the direct comparison I did. Only people who were told to do a specific thing. And did. And never experimented on their own.

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Storbeck

Location
Minnesota
Sparkplug said:
You said it. Not me. If you have a cnc and its not making you at least 50 dollars a hour, for each hour your in the shop. Your definitely doing something wrong. Or your pursuing something. Like a mold. Or designing something. But once you had it. Its yours forever. Click the button and monitor the feeds. Thats it.

Your market is so small. Thats why you don't cater to the little guy. You'd go broke. You have to market to the niche guy, who's used to spending bucks to get results. He doesn't care about cost. Thats why the big guys don't even both answering calls from.the small guys.

Fwiw I had a oem 155 behind my 1100. With a prop that was behind a 701. Swapped a well known brand pump in, at the river. In under 15 minutes. Seat of the pants test told me I wasted almost 4k on a bling pump. But it sure is pretty and fit well. Had a few guys tell me something must be wrong. Can't find anything. Or anyone who has done the direct comparison I did. Only people who were told to do a specific thing. And did. And never experimented on their own.

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I haven't found a mag pump so this is great news for me, my oem is evidently just as good.
 
Big Kahuna

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
Sparkplug said:
You said it. Not me. If you have a cnc and its not making you at least 50 dollars a hour, for each hour your in the shop. Your definitely doing something wrong. Or your pursuing something. Like a mold. Or designing something. But once you had it. Its yours forever. Click the button and monitor the feeds. Thats it.

Your market is so small. Thats why you don't cater to the little guy. You'd go broke. You have to market to the niche guy, who's used to spending bucks to get results. He doesn't care about cost. Thats why the big guys don't even both answering calls from.the small guys.

Fwiw I had a oem 155 behind my 1100. With a prop that was behind a 701. Swapped a well known brand pump in, at the river. In under 15 minutes. Seat of the pants test told me I wasted almost 4k on a bling pump. But it sure is pretty and fit well. Had a few guys tell me something must be wrong. Can't find anything. Or anyone who has done the direct comparison I did. Only people who were told to do a specific thing. And did. And never experimented on their own.

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Sounds like you may have had the wrong prop. or your pump tunnel is to small. (Dont know what hull your running)
 
kevbo

kevbo

Location
dfw
Big hub props provide most of the improvement, mag stators are icing on the cake. The Jetski world is better than ever, but prices have pushed away the masses. Plus the participant turnover rate is just slightly lower than for skateboards or BMX.. I have noticed that people will spend big bucks to get attention (freestyle) or win a race, those companies seem to be surviving.
 
Jyzmbe

Jyzmbe

Location
Plano, TX
Well when you have a 701 prop and throw it in a pump behind a 1100 you are not going to like the results. You have to have parts that complement each other not half a$$ hack job of random crap thrown together


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Sparkplug

Sparkplug

Location
Red Bluff CA
I have l the parts required. My ski absolutely rips. Just like.it did with the prior oem 155. It would combo in the hands of a better rider.

Exactly my point. You all thought it didn't perform with the 701 propped pump. I should be landing on the moon with this pump swapped in lol.

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Sparkplug

Sparkplug

Location
Red Bluff CA
Reading comprehension is key here boys.

Hence the 15 minutes. And almost 4k pump. Key notes. Its a dialed pump for a 1100.

My oem 155 propped for a 701, by me, ripped identical. Very slight change in peak rpm and hookup. Slight

Get it now???

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Storbeck

Location
Minnesota
You wrote this:

"Fwiw I had a oem 155 behind my 1100. With a prop that was behind a 701. Swapped a well known brand pump in, at the river. In under 15 minutes. Seat of the pants test told me I wasted almost 4k on a bling pump."

And you're convinced that the reason people don't understand what you did is that they are weak on reading comprehension.

Am I understanding that correctly?
 
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Storbeck

Location
Minnesota
Sparkplug said:
Reading comprehension is key here boys.

Hence the 15 minutes. And almost 4k pump. Key notes. Its a dialed pump for a 1100.

My oem 155 propped for a 701, by me, ripped identical. Very slight change in peak rpm and hookup. Slight

Get it now???

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Does this mean that not only can I save money by using an oem pump, but also the wrong impeller makes no difference?
 
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