Ducky
Back in the game!
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
lol eyecrometer...havent heard that one before, but I like it!
Why don't I ever see dyno's?
- Thread starter bored&stroked
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Christian_83
Xscream
- Location
- Denmark
I didn't say that, at least not what i ment. To me it looks like the PFP is a Type 9, that its layed down in the engine bay, instead of standing vertical up. Hence the pictures of the early PFPF chamber and type 9.
My point was, i dont think Mark Baxter made a new pipe from scratch, but made the type 9 lie down and fit freestyle hulls.
Ugh, hell hath no fury like Torr scorned.
I can't believe you are still crying over the fact that you couldn't get your grubby hands on any of the TPE business, move on dude, start your own company and build your own reputation rather than trying to bring others down.
Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
That is what I said, It was a starting point. He went from there.I didn't say that, at least not what i ment. To me it looks like the PFP is a Type 9, that its layed down in the engine bay, instead of standing vertical up. Hence the pictures of the early PFPF chamber and type 9.
My point was, i dont think Mark Baxter made a new pipe from scratch, but made the type 9 lie down and fit freestyle hulls.
DAG
Yes, my balls tickled from that landing
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
Can't we all just get along?
Proformance1
Liquid Insanity
- Location
- New York Crew
FYI, to answer the original Post to this thread. Now you know why you dont see Dyno's
Big Kahuna
Administrator
- Location
- Tuscaloosa, AL
Dyno's and Dyno Results are like Snowflakes........ No 2 are alike.
masterblaster
X-H2
lol the eyecrometer = I stated it "looked" like it was the same as the other edelbrok castings,pretty accurate meter reading.as it looks identical externally and internally
dynos can be like snowflakes,no 2 have to be alike,yet Et posted very usable results between his 2 motors power curves,looks like that thread is still working well for them? Dyno opinions differ widely,mostly upon who has them and who doesnt,as well as marketing hype effectiveness vs producing factual graphs effectiveness.
dynos can be like snowflakes,no 2 have to be alike,yet Et posted very usable results between his 2 motors power curves,looks like that thread is still working well for them? Dyno opinions differ widely,mostly upon who has them and who doesnt,as well as marketing hype effectiveness vs producing factual graphs effectiveness.
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Quinc
Buy a Superjet
- Location
- California
@tntsuperjet are you saying Mark Baxter designed the PFP exhaust system by himself?
To me it looks like he "just" cut up an Type 9 dry pipe and lay it down with a type 8 manifold. (which i guess was designet for a 701?)
Not that PFP isn't a good pipe, i just seems to me, that it was somehow a convenient shortcut.
Here a type 9 pipe and a early PFP
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I thought they looked like snowmobile pipes.
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
i will say this. Unless you have spent 10's of thousands of dollars developing parts and trying to bring new things to market and had people change rules on you or copy your stuff you can't know what it's like to have someone on the internet second questioning your product or making statements with no real first hand knowledge to be doing it.
If I just researched and duplicated parts I could spend the 20-30k that it would have cost to design and build said product and use that money to market and sell.
Who the guy gonna make the money??
How do you spend 40k developing a part ??
Let's see. 60 days x85hr shop labor rate X 8hrs a day is 40,800.00 in lost revenue in shop.
Plus what ever you invest into it out of your pocket.
Using that base I have approx 130,000 bucks invested into V2-v3 pipes and manifolds.
So it doesn't take much more then a 3rd grader to figure out how long it will take to make a profit. You have to figure in on a 1500 dollar part and manufacture cost isn't included in all that up front money.
Then dealer margins.
So about 500 pipes to break even.
You wanna know why the stamps are so expensive, just read the math above.
How many years you think it will take to break even?
2-3-5??
I would sell all the tooling for stamping v3 pipes, all the drawings for v2 pipe and tooling for 100k and sign a 2yr none compete.
So why do people like me get mad at keyboard jockeys with no manufacturing exp of there own.
That be like me going to your job and sitting in front of all your bosses customers and telling them all what a crappy job you do because your always talking bad about your service you provide and see how long you keep your job!!
Bottom line.
Don't f$&$k with people's lively hoods and let there product prove or disprove them without the need to try and undermine them for trying. Not every new part is a success, but you can't accumulate if you don't speculate.
Last, very few people have the skills to properly test or the key tools it takes to perform a solid test bed. So unless you have data to back up your comments prob shouldn't comment.
Example. I used 4 top pro riders to do a test I made a change on the boat and it was 100% better on low end according to all the riders. They all said the second test the boat had way more low end.
I asked multiple times are you sure. 100% deg more bottom second test.
I put a shorter ride plate on the boat!!!! That was all that was changed.
So does this mean I can sell a short ride plate and claim your boat will gain huge bottom end??
I have 4 top pro riders that say it does. But all 4 of them lacked one key part, no data to back up there claim. Maybe I should dyno the ride plate!!!
If I just researched and duplicated parts I could spend the 20-30k that it would have cost to design and build said product and use that money to market and sell.
Who the guy gonna make the money??
How do you spend 40k developing a part ??
Let's see. 60 days x85hr shop labor rate X 8hrs a day is 40,800.00 in lost revenue in shop.
Plus what ever you invest into it out of your pocket.
Using that base I have approx 130,000 bucks invested into V2-v3 pipes and manifolds.
So it doesn't take much more then a 3rd grader to figure out how long it will take to make a profit. You have to figure in on a 1500 dollar part and manufacture cost isn't included in all that up front money.
Then dealer margins.
So about 500 pipes to break even.
You wanna know why the stamps are so expensive, just read the math above.
How many years you think it will take to break even?
2-3-5??
I would sell all the tooling for stamping v3 pipes, all the drawings for v2 pipe and tooling for 100k and sign a 2yr none compete.
So why do people like me get mad at keyboard jockeys with no manufacturing exp of there own.
That be like me going to your job and sitting in front of all your bosses customers and telling them all what a crappy job you do because your always talking bad about your service you provide and see how long you keep your job!!
Bottom line.
Don't f$&$k with people's lively hoods and let there product prove or disprove them without the need to try and undermine them for trying. Not every new part is a success, but you can't accumulate if you don't speculate.
Last, very few people have the skills to properly test or the key tools it takes to perform a solid test bed. So unless you have data to back up your comments prob shouldn't comment.
Example. I used 4 top pro riders to do a test I made a change on the boat and it was 100% better on low end according to all the riders. They all said the second test the boat had way more low end.
I asked multiple times are you sure. 100% deg more bottom second test.
I put a shorter ride plate on the boat!!!! That was all that was changed.
So does this mean I can sell a short ride plate and claim your boat will gain huge bottom end??
I have 4 top pro riders that say it does. But all 4 of them lacked one key part, no data to back up there claim. Maybe I should dyno the ride plate!!!
Quinc
Buy a Superjet
- Location
- California
I don't think anyone is doubting your pipe is in the top 3 best pipes on the market. And with all those manifolds probably going to be the only one in stock! =)
DAG
Yes, my balls tickled from that landing
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
this whole thread is a joke
DAG
Yes, my balls tickled from that landing
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
but i like it
- Location
- Amherst NH
Someone needs a hug.
waxhead
wannabe backflipper
- Location
- gold coast
This is what bad tuning on a dyno looks like, Surprised this engine didn't blow it would hardly pull on the lows, Actually at 3:48 is where it sounds like it blows and some one starts to say a rude word
tntsuperjet
Tntperformance-engineering.com
- Location
- Georgetown ca
That M series pipe came out years after the PFP.I thought they looked like snowmobile pipes.
masterblaster
X-H2
That was a much smarter strategic post alluding at getting out of the project. Just because people are asking about stamp types and longevity and dyno results for chamber and mani doent mean they are jacking you of anything ? Simple questions really.Why make the stress of something it is not. Where would you spend 40k marketing this pipe effectively in ski world.This forum with accurate dyno/monitor info compared to the pfp the same as you did the rrp pipe in this thread would net far higher marketing exponential. Most the early adapters to any market change have them on talk alone. The large majority will require more.As you stated before with the pro boats,a few days of tuning and a pipe swap made a big improvement,but like your buddy said,its not the parts alone its who built and tuned it.and most have no doubt you are a better tuner than any of the pro boats had seen before.
At any rate no matter where your really invested in this project,I hope you continue to advance it and do well.all the same,less stress more success
At any rate no matter where your really invested in this project,I hope you continue to advance it and do well.all the same,less stress more success
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